Questioning Crossover Profiles Rule

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

True.... But.... System XX is currently scaled to the Centralfiction God-Tiers like the Azure, Noel, and Ragna ... So shouldn't that be removed or does those incarnations within the storyline have Tier Low 2-C to 2-A feats ?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Even without scaling to any other verse System XX has multiple 2-C feats and statements to go off of

 

[Paul_Frank]

Xtag characters should be scaled exclusively to feats within xtag

Including system xx

 

[LightinAnt]

True.... But.... System XX is currently scaled to the Centralfiction God-Tiers like the Azure, Noel, and Ragna ... So shouldn't that be removed or does those incarnations within the storyline have Tier Low 2-C to 2-A feats ?

That's why i said it needed to be redone, since it literally scales from canon characters and feats

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I had to leave for a bit so I couldn't comment again quickly.

Suffice to say I'm not very satisfied with shunting out arguments due to tradition/precedence, and I still have much to say on the topics discussed in the previous threads linked and on this thread.

It seems the consensus is with Sera, though, and I lack the time to really organize my arguments. I suppose this can be closed, although we should discuss profiles that should be removed.

To end this off, Sera claiming that the rule is to prevent "30 different profiles for the same character", which is exactly what I aim to prevent. However we seem to disagree on how this can be done properly. Not every character being discussed here is an SMT Dante with any significant contributions to the plot and I indend to create seperate threads for existing profiles to be deleted.

 

[Sera_EX]

Take your time. I'm more than willing to listen. When you have the time, come back and present your argument. Hopefully I'll still be here.

 

[Kepekley23]

I am roughly in agreement with Sera and Dragon's views on the matter.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Agree.

Also, wow, these threads really do get long.

 

[Sera_EX]

Honestly, this partly intersects with the "What is and isn't a notable work of fiction" argument, like the ongoing Youtube thread. Staff and non-staff alike are already sick of how strict and "elitist" our standards are when it comes to that. It would be a very bad idea to make even stricter standards with even less flexibility about what kind of pages we can make. I feel our standards are fine as they are, but maybe need tweaking. If anyone disagrees that's fine, speak your mind and let's talk.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

I, imo, don't see the problems with having alternative profiles for the same character. But again, that's just me.

 

[Sera_EX]

We can have alt profiles for the same characters, but what would be the difference between CvS Ryu and MvC Ryu? Both are literally based on SF Ryu who already has a page. At that point it's just redundant. That's what I meant by "a page or key for every crossover appearance a character makes".

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

@Sera I'm swamped for today and tomorrow, but I can put something together on Sunday. Thanks for understanding.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, we are currently revising our Youtube standards to be less strict.

 

[YungManzi]

So, would the Jump Force Main character be allowed since it's an original character?

 

[Sera_EX]

Yes but...ew.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I don't really have a problem making Crossover Character profiles so long as they are noticably differences between them and the original and I'm not just talking about raw AP.

 

[HrishikeshM]

crossover pages are so inconsistent from their originals.....they are a bad idea

 

[WeeklyBattles]

That's the point, they're SUPPOSED to be different from the originals

 

[Sera_EX]

Yeah, being different is a good thing, being exactly the same or just slightly different is the issue.

 

[HrishikeshM]

then if a crossover character is very different then he will get a page.....otherwise not....right?? this is ok but make sure to say it is a cross over character....not cannon....because then people will get confused

 

[Agnaa]

That is the plan.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

After letting this ferment for a while and now that I'm available to discuss (I have a bit of a cooldown period between today and tomorrow), I think I agree with Sera's arguments. I think I'm getting too worked up about something minor on the site.

I'd reccomend keeping this thread open when a conclusion is reached to discuss what pages, if any, need to be removed.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Yeah, being different is a good thing, being exactly the same or just slightly different is the issue.

So no BBCTB?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No, BBxTag was agreed to be alright

 

[Paul_Frank]

By that definition sera gave rwby characters from xtag wouldn't work

They are the exact same basically.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Sera literally agreed that xtag is fine, as did everyone else

And no, theyre not the exact same, there are several distinct differences

 

[Paul_Frank]

What distinct differences are there

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

And they are different how exactly? Because from what I been told they are the same thing.

Never played the story mode, just online at the house of a friend.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Differences in their personalities, different powers, different feats, different canon, different everything.

This coming from someone who has played through the entire story mode of the game and watched it played through a second time on youtube

 

[Paul_Frank]

Their personalities are almost exactly the same

The feats and powers are just from being in the game

So basically other than higher tier and powers they are literally rwby characters copy pasted into bb

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Well, I guess they could work.

If they get added I demand my Low 2-C Solid Snake/Ike/Link because they are canon to the Smash verse!

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

ffs Weekly we never "agreed" to allow them. YOU and a select few members did.

Considering how this thread is going, you'd need MAJOR differences for a crossover like it to allow their individual characters in.

And I wouldn't consider slightly different personality, minor powers (that are mostly resistances or abilities granted just from being in there crossover in the first place) to be major enough.

Especially since, as I've stated before, you can't use one example of a character with large enough differences in order to justify every single character being allowed.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

And Saikou crushed my dreams of Low 2-C Solid Snake.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@Saikou Cool, talk to Sera about it not me. Shes the one who agreed to it, she's the one who made the regulations that everyone agreed to.

Seeing as the "select few members" who agreed to it are the ones who made the regulations regarding the topic, theyre the ones that everyone should listen to regarding said topic.

 

[Sera_EX]

Wait what? For Pete's sake what's the issue now?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

If the characters of BBxTB are good enough to have profiles.

Some sides said the only difference is power (AP, hax, etc.), while the other said they are completely different characters.

My issue is if those characters are accepted then the Smash characters should be accepted since its the same thing (same characters, different powers).

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

I was going to try to debate this... But considering what I see coming... I'm just going to:


... and unfollow this.

 

[Sera_EX]

I didn't say the individual BBxTB chars get a pass. I said maybe. What I said was Ruby Rose can definitely have a file.

Smash Bros, is a definite no. That's basically the same characters with little to no difference, but exclusive ones like Master Hand are okay.

Exclusive characters = Yes

The crossover characters themselves? = no

 

[Paul_Frank]

I kinda want some examples of how Ruby is different.

From what I remember she is practically the same character as in the show besides being in the BB setting

 

[Sera_EX]

Weekly said she is integrated into the game's lore and plot similar to Dante in Nocturne.