Questioning Archie Sonic's Tier

[Inverted_Tempest]

No, this isn't a downgrade, more or less a potential upgrade if anything. So Ixis Naugus's profile gives his reasoning for Solar System by virtue that he creates numerous stars, planets, and even nebulae in the Zone of Silence, which has been confirmed in canon and by author statements that he did. But, my issue is that feats like this are generally treated as being Multi-Solar System which would actually put him as being currently higher than his Solar System rating right now. Sonic scales since he fought Naugus before obviously as well.

And obviously the Black Hole thing with absorbing the star system is just proof of consistency with such feats, but whether or not that should be kept in the Attack Potency rating if Sonic gets upgraded or not is up to the decision of everyone else I guess.

 

[Sixo_Bullets]

An MSS upgrade seems to be fine. Don't know much about Sonic though, so I'll wait this out.

 

[ShakeResounding]

This is... A good point, actually. Sonic used to be 4-A, but it was actually from his current 4-B feat.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I think it's a legit feat, though you should ask Dark or Executor for input.

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"The more famous of the two was the Zone of Silence, a realm of perpetual twilight discovered and crafted by Ixis Naugus. At first only a bubble of space-time, the evil wizard expanded and reworked it to suit his needs."

I believe this means to convey that Naugus created the matter within the ZoS, at it is initially described as "only a bubble of space-time".

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I can agree with 4-A.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

The issue is that the Zone of Silence is infinite,which would make them High 3-A if Ixis created matter that far.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

On second thought,Feist basically embodied the Special Zone & Omega was able to harm him(High 3-A Base Archie?)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

The think it'd be an Outlier if that's the case.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The think it'd be an Outlier if that's the case.

Which would be kinda funny when Sonic, Shadow, and Silver were able to take hits from and harm a 2-A Enerjak in base lol.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

Actually there seems to be more tier 3 feats/scaling than the Quantum Dial's one tier 4 feat.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Sonic also took hits from Super Scourge, Master Mogul, and Super Sonic. Silver defeated Tikhaos, Tails survived a blast from Chaos Knuckles, and Knuckles fought on par with Enerjak

Jokes aside, I remember the ZoS being High 3-A being a point of contention in the past, so I'll dig around.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

The Zone of Silence was large enough to consume Mobius Prime & was indeed expanding like an actual universe.

I remember ED posted about it on a Sonic vs Majinn Buu thread.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Well, I guess there might even actually be Tier 3 feats to potentially put them at a 4-B, likely 3-A rating maybe?

I'm mainly asking because in the one panel where Super Sonic and Hyper Knuckles destroy the zone, it shows they're knocked out of their super forms and tank the destruction in their base forms. I'm not not sure if we would also count it, but it could be more Tier 3 evidence if so.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Destroying a Zone would be Low 2-C.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Actually, I think if the Zone of Silence was going to consume Mobius Prime, then it would be a Low 2-C feat.

There's also Feist reshaping the Zone of Silence in order to turn it into the Special Zone, which he has full control over.

And then of course there's Al & Cal.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Destroying a Zone would be Low 2-C.

I know it is, I'm talking about them surviving its destruction in their base form if you didn't want to assume the collapse of space-time.

 

[Inverted_Tempest]

Well if that's the case, they have arguable Low 2-C consistent feats then.

 

[MYHERO]

Low 2-C Base Sonic? Yeah I don't think the staff will agree with this. Unless the evidence is really good. I'll contact Sera and Executor N0 about this thread.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It is more consistent than that one tier 4 feat.

In the meantime I plan to make a profile for Feist.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm 90% sure Feist is 2-A

Anyway, I'll stay out of it this time. I have to even put all my disagreements by letting some things alone.

 

[MYHERO]

Low 2-C Sonic still feels a bit too much for me. Not saying I disagree with it but it just seems to good to be true.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I'll have to read more into it but I haven't see anything that would put Feist at 2-A, only Low 2-C.

 

[Genericstickman]

Low 2-C Base Archie Sonic? If that happens I can finally remake Super Sonic vs Base Sonic

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Wasn't Feist the one that fused all the Chaos Emeralds into a single set?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I don't really agree with Low 2-C Base Sonic but I haven't looked into his feats for the most part so I'll just sit this out.

 

[MYHERO]

I'm pretty sure Base Sonic would solo the Game verse with the sword of light.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I'm pretty sure Base Sonic would solo the Game verse with the Sword of Acorns

Fixed. Sword of Light only nullifies dark energies. Sword of Acorns is the Power Null and Absorption.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Wasn't Feist the one that fused all the Chaos Emeralds into a single set?

Yeah he was, although that wouldn't really be 2-A AP, just Fusionism.

 

[DMB_1]

I believe this means to convey that Naugus created the matter within the ZoS, at it is initially described as "only a bubble of space-time".

Creating the matter of a starry sky is just High 4-C.

Nebulae may be higehr though.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Creating the matter of a starry sky is just High 4-C.

Nebulae may be higehr though.

Thing is it also says Naugus expanded the zone and reworked it to fit his needs, so it's not just matter creation.

 

[DMB_1]

If said zone is infinite, how do you expand it, exactly?

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It was said to be just a bubble of space-time at first.

As for it being infinite, I don't think it's infinite to begin with, it being stated to not have "finite properties" means that it keeps expanding rather than staying at a set size.

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

I actually have to agree with Cal,Feist should be 2-A simply by virtue of being powered by countless Emeralds,fusing them into 7,& reshaping the Zone of Silence into the Special Zone.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I don't remember Feist using the Emeralds to empower himself. He only used their Reality warping capabilities.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

"It was you, Chosen One, who sent the Chaos Emeralds into this zone, giving me my power."

I can see where you'd get the 2-A from, but at the same time he doesn't enter a super form nor does he fight one, and doesn't show anything above Low 2-C.

 

[MYHERO]

Please let's save this for another thread.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Save what for another thread?

 

[ED_INFINITUM]

Feist's tier?

 

[MYHERO]

Yeah.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Feist doesn't even have a profile. As I said before, I plan to make one.