Prototype Downgrades: Part 2

[Sir_sun_man]

oh ****

 

[Elizhaa]

The game guide clarified that Alex Mercer is the strongest infected that should put it above Goliaths; to be fair, the game guide statements were just found for this thread yesterday after the arguments for downscaling were made to Goliaths were made. I don't remember much of the game but there are a lot imply events that Alex Mercer is strongest infected and if stated there I will try to found it.

 

[Elizhaa]

It should be noted that I also with James Heller and Alex Mercer downscaling to 8-C, but am uncertain as to how the calculation that was requested earlier will be utilized.

Sad face.

Since I didn't known the blog was made, I made one yesterday: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...losion_which_vaporizes_a_room_full_of_zombies


It look like the vaporization assumption is wrong.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that seems fine.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

i still say that we need to add an extra key to avoid any scaling inconsistencies

 

[Elizhaa]

i still say that we need to add an extra key to avoid any scaling inconsistencies

I would be fine with this option, too.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

So... Are we good to start doing matches for Prototype now?

 

[Super_Saiyan_God_Julian]

Were all of the statistics discussed in this thread applied then? If so, you may begin doing matches.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I think so. Just need to add an extra key to Mercer to avoid Scaling Issues.

 

[DeathNoodles]

I'd say doing matches should be done right after the changes in the tiers has been applied. Currently, most of Versus matches involving Mercer involves him in either one of his two final keys, so it would be better to wait until the changes has been applied for Alex Mercer being 8-C before we put characters like him back into matches again.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

we still haven't discussed how we should apply the devestators since they have high 8C+ feats

as well as you know the one that covered the whole of manhattan at the end of P2

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Can't final form Mercer tank a devastator?

 

[Antvasima]

What is left to do here?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Can't final form Mercer tank a devastator?

we can't use devestators on him in the final fight

 

[Elizhaa]

What is left to do here?

1. The speed need discussion since outright supersonic speed is wrong:
   1. So, separating the movement speed to be Subsonic and reaction speed would be needed like in this example here that can work for scaling the speed (Alex Mercer would have that new key speed, though)
   2. Elizabeth Greene's mother form need a speed statistic which should like this
2. Resistance to Biological Manipulation being re-added to Alex Mercer's profile which was largely agreed in the last thread

Since the key accepted were made I can start making later regarding Alex Mercer and James Heller being 8-C. Alex Mercer's 3rd key get separated in two a key: "Prototype 1 End Game" and "Prototype 2"; his last two keys would be Tier 8 as discussed.

 

[Elizhaa]

Can't final form Mercer tank a devastator?

I will be honest I think we should get a devastator's calculation if we are discussing because the tiering looks vague without one, to me?

 

[Sir_sun_man]

well we could try to conculate how much force it would require to level the hives in P2

 

[Sir_sun_man]

1. 1. So, separating the movement speed to be Subsonic and reaction speed would be needed like in thisexample here that can work for scaling the speed (Alex Mercer would have that new key speed, though)

heres the small ajustment

speed: Subsonic movement speed (capable of outrunning most veichles in game which includes AH-64Apache) with Supersonic+ reaction and combat speed (capable of reacting to and dodgeing shells fired from an M1 Abrams)/ at least Subsonic movement speed with at least Supersonic+ reaction and combat speed (has consumed many powerful infected and became stronger and faster then before but to an unknown extent)/ at least Subsonic movement speed with at least Supersonic+ likely Hypersonic reaction and combat speed (has become much stronger in the two years since prototype 1 to an extent where he was able to easily overpower James Heller who at the time has already surpassed most Evolved)/at least Subsonic movement speed with at least Supersonic+ likely Hypersonic reaction and combat speed(has consumed 8 Evolved and became even stronger and faster then before)

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

we can't use devestators on him in the final fight

Can you use it on a Goliath?

 

[Antvasima]

@Elizhaa

Okay. Thank you for helping out.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Can you use it on a Goliath?

well you can but we already discussed that and we are chucking it up to gameplay

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

well you can but we already discussed that and we are chucking it up to gameplay

What? The Goliath can survive a devastator Base P2 Alex > Goliath which would mean high 8-C Alex Mercer.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

What? The Goliath can survive a devastator Base P2 Alex > Goliath which would mean high 8-C Alex Mercer.

yeah i know i made the same point but in the last thread about this and it was decided to be gameplay mechanics rather then actual canonical feats

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

That's actually dumb but ok.

 

[Elizhaa]

I mean Goliaths could be High 8-C with a KE calculation.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I mean Goliaths could be High 8-C with a KE calculation.

What calc?

 

[Elizhaa]

I talked to The Wright Way and he is fine with Mercer upscaling to the Goliaths: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/4104607#7

I think most of us who agreed with 8-C Mercer also agreed with him upscaling to Goliaths with the scan evidences so I will made that change.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

yeah im pretty sure we all do since he smacked about the heller that beat the goliath

 

[DarkGrath]

Alright, so, I was contacted about the whole thing with Merced up-scaling from the Goliaths.

Admittedly, "the most powerful" does not always equal "the highest AP", which puts a bit of a crux in the argument that he's indisputably the most powerful thing created by the virus. However, contextually, I'm more than willing to accept that as evidence with the other things in mind. If it was possible, I'd probably consider it to be "likely" upscaling from the Goliaths, though I don't know if this would actually result in a tier change.

 

[DeathNoodles]

It's not just the fact that Mercer was "undisputedly the most powerful", but it is also consistent with him being able to completely overpower Mid-Game James Heller with only 2 punches in total, and James Heller was capable of defeating an 8-C such as a Goliath shortly after that encounter (which implies his hits are already signify that Alex Mercer's AP already has enough of a significant affect on James Heller to imply that the former's hits would already upscale from the Goliath).

The statement of Alex Mercer being undisputedly the most powerful is a big supporting evidence though, as the word "undisputedly" means he's the most powerful of all his infected "without questio". Backed up by an another statement of Alex Mercer being the "Pinnacle of Blacklight Evolution" (the Goliaths are Blacklight infected. Alex Mercer being the Pinnacle of Blacklight evolution heavily suggests that he's a greater Blacklight being than even the Goliaths). However, since you aren't exactly against the scaling, I'm only saying these points just to prove the validity of the scaling a bit more just in case.

To be honest, I think the Prototype 2 Alex Mercer keys should just be listed as 8-C, with his justifications stating that he is above the likes of even the Goliaths (which would just put him as unquantifiably above the 8-C extent of the Goliath's AP), just so we can also make it simple to include the Devastators in for the likes of James Heller and Alex Mercer as well for exclusive AP attacks.

 

[Elizhaa]

I think DeathNoodles's points make sense.

 

[Elizhaa]

By the way, what you going think of separating James Heller's profiles with keys into:

• 9-A (beginning) | 8-C (mid-game) | At least 8-C (end-game; became much stronger) [just a rough draft]

Also, what about you think about Alex Mercer's new keys:

• 9-A (Early/Mid Game ) | 9-A (end-game) | 8-C (Prototype 2) | At least 8-C (end-game/elvolved since he became much stronger) [just a rough draft]

I am a bit in real-life later with upcoming assignments so the edits I can make them tomorrow

 

[DeathNoodles]

I agree with it. Adding new keys to specify the version of the characters for the AP differences would help simplify the scaling chain of the Prototype characters.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

By the way, what you going think of separating James Heller's profiles with keys into:

What happened to End of P1 Alex?

 

[Elizhaa]

Ah, my bad title from copy paste, it is still 9-A; fixed.

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

Do you think baseline 9A+ for Alex's end-game p1 would be ok, after all he did manage to hold his own against greens mother form.

 

[Sir_sun_man]

Do you think baseline 9A+ for Alex's mid game p1 would be ok, after all he did manage to hold his own against greens mother form.

that would be end game mercer

 

[Fupdumpthegump]

Ok fixed that, but is that still possible.

 

[Antvasima]

What the other staff members have accepted can probably be applied.