Profile Deletion Requests Thread - 16

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out.

 

[Agnaa]

Well the trouble's that I'm hearing different things from different people. I'm hearing from Weekly and Bambu, who made the RvB profiles, that there's almost no references to actual Halo. But I'm hearing from Nemo and others that Halo's heavily important for RvB's lore.

The discussion should be taken to the thread for it, but if 8-Bit Theater's allowed I don't see on what grounds any fanfiction would be disallowed, and I'll go ahead and port some fanfic profiles over from fc/oc wiki.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Mii (Miitopia)

 

[Yellowpig10]

yeah the scaling is '''''Way''''' off on that

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

they should probably be have an early-game and end-game keys

 

[Antvasima]

I deleted it.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What Tier should they (Mii) be? End-Game Mii can create small Black holes , and the The Darkest Lord can create Black holes

 

[Nemo212]

I don't think those count as real black holes.

 

[Ogbunabali]

This isn't the place to discuss that. Make a thread or something.

 

[Antvasima]

Ogbunabali is correct.

 

[Anttron224]

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ilidan_Extra_OP_Abilities

 

[Crazylatin77]

I handled it

 

[Nemo212]

Player (Catalog Heaven)

This doesn't have a plot or a defined canon, so it isn't allowed on the wiki. It's essentially a debug mode.

"The VS Battles Wiki is, first and foremost, a fictional character indexing site. All featured characters in our profiles should originate from actual stories, from notable or popular works. A story includes a plot, a fictional setting, and having a defined canon. At the very least, the setting should be entirely fictional in nature, with no true bearing over the real world."

 

[Jinsye]

"It's essentially a debug mode"

Not really?

It's a game where you choose items from the Catalog and fight other players with them. That's plenty a setting right there. It may not have a story but it's a PVP game so of course it won't.

I'm against it's deletion. It's a character in a defined setting and thus has every right to be on the wiki

 

[Jaften]

It has setting but not plot or canon. It's basically babby Gmod battle royale.

Yeet.

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

There's basically no lore as established by Edward and one of the main gameplay aspects is fighting (which is reinforced in the game's descriptio). Closest thing to lore is maybe implications on how the gear work via catalog item descriptions but that's about it.

In all due respect, if it doesn't abide by the site's guidelines then I won't oppose its removal.

 

[Nemo212]

@Edward You bring up PVP games, but that's a false equivalency as well. There's plenty of PVP-oriented games that fit our standards because they have plots, settings, and canon. This is literally Roblox Gmod. It does not.

 

[Jaften]

I think Devil Daggers may have to go for the same reasons. I looked up if there was lore on the wiki and joined DDwiki's discord to ask the mods about it and it has no plot or canon, just setting and gameplay.

 

[Nemo212]

I almost feel kind of bad, Zany, because it's a really well-constructed page. You did a good job.

 

[Jaften]

Yeah, even DD's page on this wiki admits it has no story. I think it needs to at least be moved to a blog.

 

[Anttron224]

@Edward You bring up PVP games, but that's a false equivalency as well. There's plenty of PVP-oriented games that fit our standards because they have plots, settings, and canon. This is literally Roblox Gmod. It does not.

I wouldn't use Fortnite as an example considering the page for the Player in that verse Is the battle royale version and not the actual "story" mode version.

 

[Jaften]

But even the BR version of Fortnite has some lore and canon across the different seasons.

 

[Anttron224]

Devil Daggers seems fine. A lack of written story doesn't mean that the fictional setting doesn't have any inherent lore just from elements existing in that setting. The setting presented is that a person of mysterious origin who can upgrade themselves with dark magic is locked into infinite and endless combat with an army of demonic horrors and beasts. Don't need deep lore to consider that a story, even if it's barebones.

 

[Agnaa]

Well, that guideline does say that the minimum requirement is:

At the very least, the setting should be entirely fictional in nature, with no true bearing over the real world.

Which the profile meets. But maybe you're right about it needing to be deleted.

I do remember there being some other profiles for games with no story, just combat with enough visual feats to get a tier which weren't controversial at the time, but I don't remember its name to point it out to y'all. (EDIT: Nvm, I was thinking of Devil Daggers, whoops.)

From what I remember that rule was more aimed at works which are incoherent animated shorts with no ongoing plot, like asdfmovie, rather than simply video games which don't have lore written. It kinda sucks that Hong Kong 97, under this idea, has more legitimacy than some games simply because it has a tiny story cinematic at the start.

 

[Jaften]

We can move Devil Daggers to a blog so it's at least still present on the site, but I don't think it should have an official profile under our rules.

 

[Andytrenom]

Devil Daggers was literally brought up when creating that rule. This rule is for things like Please Don't Touch Anything, where there is story, but there is a coherent world with rules and feats

 

[Andytrenom]

If "a lack of story" is the only reason for deletion, Devil Daggers should be fine to stay

 

[Planck69]

Self-Explanatory

 

[Antvasima]

I agree with Andy. If it is a popular notable game, the page can probably stay. The rules are mostly there to prevent us from accepting trash, not valid games without a plot, as long as they can be properly evaluated.

 

[Antvasima]

@Planck

AKM handled it.

 

[Nemo212]

So what about Catalog Heaven?

 

[Antvasima]

It can probably stay as long as it is a regular popular game without a storyline.

 

[Nemo212]

I'm not even sure it can be considered a game, really. It's basically a debug mode for Roblox accessories.

 

[Antvasima]

Aha. That seems much more uncertain then. Perhaps we should delete it after all?

 

[Genericstickman]

It's not really even a debug mode really

 

[Antvasima]

Are there other pages related to this one that also need to be deleted?

 

[Nemo212]

There's no other characters from it, if that's what you mean. There's a few other profiles that had versus matches with it, which will need to be removed from their respective Others section, but none of them are locked.

 

[Genericstickman]

I still feel like deleting it because it has no story seems pretty unfair since we have profiles for The Player from PUBG and a ton of Game and Watch profiles and those also don't have stories

 

[EmbalmerMaster9000]

Catalog Heaven is more or less a sandbox game for testing the gear, but its description brings attention to the user that battling is a big aspect of it. There's various maps that the game has in rotation that switch after a period of time.

As for popularity, refer to the first link. It has 215 million visits and used to score 1,000-1,500 active players on it at once every day for a long while.

 

[Abstractions]

I don't believe popularity has bearing on whether a profile should be deleted, otherwise there would be a ton more pages marked for deletion.