Power of the cosmos: Ben 10 vs Garou

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Ben Tennyson (Master Control enabled) vs Awakened Garou

• Speed equalized
• Garou's 5-A key is used and Ben starts as Atomix
• Alien X is restricted

Garou:

Ben:

Inconclusive:

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Joining for the chaos

 

[RandomGuy2345]

 

[Aachintya31]

Ben transforms to ghostfreak or big chill and then GG ,Garou doesn't have NPI.

 

[Epiccheev]

Garou dies and copies ghostfreak physiology with his soul gg

 

[Aachintya31]

Garou dies and copies ghostfreak physiology with his soul gg

Garou the God Copy

 

[Greenshifter]

Atomix -> Garou copies and blitzes -> Atomix dies -> detransforms into Ben -> failsaves into NRG or Atomix -> Garou overloads NRG or oneshots Atomix -> NRG or Atomix dies -> detransforms into Ben -> failsaves into NRG or Atomix -> ... -> transforms into Big Chill or Ghostfreak before getting overloaded or killed -> intang freeze or possession gg

Something like this?

Just a quick note that Garou should resist possession but I didn't immediately find that on his page. Eh Ghostfreak's possession works on the level of the mind, soul and body (and maybe even on non-sentient objects) so it might be more potent than God's anyways.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Feedback sucks him dry gg

 

[Aachintya31]

Feedback sucks him dry gg

Garou outskills Feedback alongwith having an insanely high AP advantage.

 

[Greenshifter]

Feedback might get passived before that, it depends on how far he is away from Garou. Garou might also be too fast for Feedback to get a good shot at draining him.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Garou outskills Feedback alongwith having an insanely high AP advantage.

Feedback might get passived before that, it depends on how far he is away from Garou. Garou might also be too fast for Feedback to get a good shot at draining him.

I was joking, in terms of the actual fight Ben could just turn into clockwork and turn him into dust.

 

[Epiccheev]

Would Garou count as an alien here or...

 

[Aachintya31]

Would Garou count as an alien here or...

No ,his DNA is human and the monsterised part is not sapient enough because of how harsh and wild it is.

 

[Greenshifter]

I was joking, in terms of the actual fight Ben could just turn into clockwork and turn him into dust.

That won't work, Clockwork can't use two time haxes at once AFAWK.

Would Garou count as an alien here or...

I doubt it. Even more unlikely is that Ben would get the advantages of being God's avatar.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

That won't work, Clockwork can't use two time haxes at once AFAWK.

I doubt it. Even more unlikely is that Ben would get the advantages of being God's avatar.

Since when?

 

[Aachintya31]

Since when?

It's not in character for clockwork to use two time hax ,moreover that age hax was used by maltruant even though clockwork would scale to it.

 

[Greenshifter]

Since when?

No, that’s the wrong question. The question is “when has Clockwork ever used two time haxes at once” and if the answer is “never” then it seems like he can’t or won’t do it.

 

[Greenshifter]

moreover that age hax was used by maltruant even though clockwork would scale to it.

Clockwork’s first time beam aged a wooden stick.

 

[Aachintya31]

Clockwork’s first time beam aged a wooden stick.

My bad
Clockwork can BFR garou to another timeline

 

[Greenshifter]

My bad
Clockwork can BFR garou to another timeline

He's too slow

 

[Aachintya31]

Can Garou copy time-based powers ?

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

No, that’s the wrong question. The question is “when has Clockwork ever used two time haxes at once” and if the answer is “never” then it seems like he can’t or won’t do it.

Has it ever been stated or implied that he can’t

 

[Aachintya31]

He's too slow

Speed is equalized

 

[Greenshifter]

Can Garou copy time-based powers ?

Probably not, but maybe.

Has it ever been stated or implied that he can’t

Nope

Speed is equalized

There should be relative equalization in Ben matches so that XLR8 still has some use, but the pages are outdated and Atomix is MFTL so that's not a good idea.
Garou adapts/grows and becomes instantly faster.

 

[Kamekaizen]

Atomix -> Garou copies and blitzes -> Atomix dies -> detransforms into Ben -> failsaves into NRG or Atomix -> Garou overloads NRG or oneshots Atomix -> NRG or Atomix dies -> detransforms into Ben -> failsaves into NRG or Atomix -> ... -> transforms into Big Chill or Ghostfreak before getting overloaded or killed -> intang freeze or possession gg

Something like this?

Just a quick note that Garou should resist possession but I didn't immediately find that on his page. Eh Ghostfreak's possession works on the level of the mind, soul and body (and maybe even on non-sentient objects) so it might be more potent than God's anyways.

I haven't kept up with Ben 10 stuff after Alien Force. So does Ben not die when his alien transformation is killed?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I haven't kept up with Ben 10 stuff after Alien Force. So does Ben not die when his alien transformation is killed?

if one of Bem's transformations is Destroyed, he returns to his human self, we see him when Chromastone was destroyed by Charmcaster's machine, when Eon Age hax Way big and Ultimate Swarpfire

 

[Reiner04]

Ben destroyed the omnitrix gg

 

[Greenshifter]

if one of Bem's transformations is Destroyed, he returns to his human self, we see him when Chromastone was destroyed by Charmcaster's machine, when Eon Age hax Way big and Ultimate Swarpfire

Yeah and due to Master Control he won't even lose the alien in question.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Probably not, but maybe.

Nope

There should be relative equalization in Ben matches so that XLR8 still has some use, but the pages are outdated and Atomix is MFTL so that's not a good idea.
Garou adapts/grows and becomes instantly faster.

Then I don’t see why he can’t do it

 

[Greenshifter]

Then I don’t see why he can’t do it

Because Maltruant never used two time haxes at once either. Implying it's a limit of the species.

 

[Aachintya31]

Because Maltruant never used two time haxes at once either. Implying it's a limit of the species.

Makes Sense.

 

[Aachintya31]

Feedback might get passived before that, it depends on how far he is away from Garou. Garou might also be too fast for Feedback to get a good shot at draining him.

He reacted to the the big bang so atleast should have infinite reaction speed.

 

[Greenshifter]

Shhhh, Garou should be faster than that too btw.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

Because Maltruant never used two time haxes at once either. Implying it's a limit of the species.

Not really, maltruant also never used his abilities to the fullest. Like in his fight with Ben 10k with no powers. He straight up could have lined them all up and blast them at the same time. And even then it doesn’t matter seeing as speed is equalized in this match

 

[Greenshifter]

He straight up could have lined them all up and blast them at the same time.

See him not doing that is what makes me say that he can't.

And even then it doesn’t matter seeing as speed is equalized in this match

Garou insta-adapts and becomes faster.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

See him not doing that is what makes me say that he can't.

Garou insta-adapts and becomes faster.

Seeing as there’s nothing stating otherwise I’d think he could

if he can null timestop or stop being turned into dust

 

[Kamekaizen]

So what are Garou's wincons?

 

[Greenshifter]

Eh black hole?