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I don't think Zeno should scale to Netero in any capacity, especially given his feats. Also, sparring doesn't really mean much, the Zodiacs sparred with him consistently and yet they shouldn't scale to him in any capacity either since we have no idea the effort Netero was putting in, doesn't help that it's off-screen aswell.

None of the Royal Guard should scale to Youpi's Rage exactly, they should be close but Youpi is clearly the strongest when it comes to raw power.
 
NotoriouSoda said:
Ehh I'm still happy that where getting 7-A+ Meruem, imagine all the matches that can be made. Also thing that Meruem should scale to Killua speed Post-Rose.
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Meruem scales above. He is by far the fastest character in HxH.
 
TheMerchant66 said:
Pitou is called by Illumi to be Meruems "Top soldier" ant, Pitou definitely scales from Youpi.
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What the hell would Illumi know about it?
 
Yeah I think Pitou should scale to Youpi no matter what, because even if you think Youpi is stronger it shouldn't be that big of a difference. They should be comparable at least. I'm fine with Pitou scaling, but being considered slightly weaker.

As for Zeno, he scales above Chrollo at minimum.
 
TheMerchant66 said:
Pitou is called by Illumi to be Meruems "Top soldier" ant, Pitou definitely scales from Youpi.
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All of the Royal Guard are Meruem's Top Soldiers, Illumi was only referring to Pitou because that's who caused Gon to make the vow, the entire point of their conversation was regarding that and Killua using Alluka to heal said vow. And why would Illumi know which of the 3 Royal Guard are stronger? He wasn't even there.

Regardless, Pitou should scale to Youpi in some respect, just not exactly. Youpi is clearly the most powerful in terms of raw power, to argue otherwise is a little silly.
 
> Yeah I think Pitou should scale to Youpi no matter what, because even if you think Youpi is stronger it shouldn't be that big of a difference. They should be comparable at least.

Comparable before the Rage Blast? Probably. Compared to the Rage Blast? I think there isn't any support for that.
 
The report about the Chimera Ant stuff was made public to the Hunter association, which Illumi and Hisoka are apart of. While the exact details probably aren't known they clearly have enough info regarding who the major players were and their roles are.

Granted, if Pitou isn't the strongest that's fine but the Guards all have parity with each other clearly. Even Pouf when he and Youpi were letting Meruem eat them had an aura that was just as good as Youpi according to Meruem and neither was better than the other. The other 2 Guards clearly scale from Youpi
 
@TheMerchant66; their aura being equally tasty to a guy who eats Nen for breakfast doesn't mean they're comparabe in AP.
 
So your argument for Pouf scaling to Youpi is that they tasted just as good as each other?

I don't even know where to begin with this argument.
 
What else would "taste" mean within that context if not power? I'd also point out that Pouf was incomplete while Youpi was in his centaur form during the "feast" with Pouf having enough aura to retain an adult version of himself. The databook even puts Youpi as the weakest amongst the 3 Guards, although I don't think the databook should be used but it is something.

Anyhow, Youpi being the strongest is fine as I've said. Just the other Guards do have parity with the guy.
 
Purgy said:
Regardless, Pitou should scale to Youpi in some respect, just not exactly. Youpi is clearly the most powerful in terms of raw power, to argue otherwise is a little silly.
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I agree as well. Pitou should be high-end High 7-C and she's only Low 7-B as a corpse puppet.
 
TheMerchant66 said:
Pitou is called by Illumi to be Meruems "Top soldier" ant, Pitou definitely scales from Youpi.
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I don't think Illumi even knew about Youpi or Pouf so his statement is dubious.
 
TheMerchant66 said:
What else would "taste" mean within that context if not power? I'd also point out that Pouf was incomplete while Youpi was in his centaur form during the "feast" with Pouf having enough aura to retain an adult version of himself. The databook even puts Youpi as the weakest amongst the 3 Guards, although I don't think the databook should be used but it is something.
Anyhow, Youpi being the strongest is fine as I've said. Just the other Guards do have parity with the guy.
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Can you show that? If you're referring to the Databook/Character stats thing I think you're referring to, I remember that being wildly inaccurate, placing Gon and Chrollo in the same tier for multiple things.
 
The databook ranks as Mind | Skill | Body | Nen | Ingenuity | Intelligence. Given how intelligence, mind and ingenuity are treated as equal to skill, body, and Nen, I don't think it's a good measurement.

Youpi's is the lowest overall because his ingenuity is lower than the others.
 
Nothing suggest Pitou is weaker than Menthu to the point where he couldn't be able to even injure him. Youpi tanked his blast with no visible injuries.

Also rage blast is not some DBZ style power up. Youpi hadn't been stressed to that point and raged out. He got stronger afterwards because he could control his rage better and thus his biology. Pitou is still comparable to base Youpi.
 
> Pitou is still comparable to base Youpi.

Base Youpi is not equal to his Rage blast.
 
Damage3245 said:
> Pitou is still comparable to base Youpi.
Base Youpi is not equal to his Rage blast.
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Rage blast is not a power up. It's an expulsion of energy Youpi builds up through anger.

Youpi tanked his own rage blast.

Do you believe if Pitou and Youpi fought that Pitou would not be capable of injuring Youpi?
 
> Rage blast is not a power up. It's an expulsion of energy Youpi builds up through anger.

It's clearly significantly more powerful than his usual attacks. Also the fact that it requires charging and building up means it can't compare to his ordinary attacks.

> Youpi tanked his own rage blast.

There's no telling how much energy Youpi tanked himself. The calc is for the amount of energy that goes into destroying his surroundings, so therefore wouldn't be the amount of energy that Youpi himself is hit by.

> Do you believe if Pitou and Youpi fought that Pitou would not be capable of injuring Youpi?

Post-Death Pitou? Yes, she can injure him. Pitou ordinarily? Uncertain.
 
Also, going back to speed, whatever happened to Speed of Light attack for Netero's Zero Hand? It seemed like it was accepted on a thread years ago but was never applied.
 
Is there anything supporting lightspeed other than it being described as him transmuting his aura into light?

Don't a few requirements need to be fulfilled?
 
Damage3245 said:
> Rage blast is not a power up. It's an expulsion of energy Youpi builds up through anger.
It's clearly significantly more powerful than his usual attacks. Also the fact that it requires charging and building up means it can't compare to his ordinary attacks.

> Youpi tanked his own rage blast.

There's no telling how much energy Youpi tanked himself. The calc is for the amount of energy that goes into destroying his surroundings, so therefore wouldn't be the amount of energy that Youpi himself is hit by.

> Do you believe if Pitou and Youpi fought that Pitou would not be capable of injuring Youpi?

Post-Death Pitou? Yes. Pitou ordinarily? Uncertain.
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of course it is more signifigant, that doesn't erase the fact that he tanked his own blast though, and the energy came from Youpi, in base. It wasn't like going super saiyan where Youpi suddenly became x amount more powerful then he was before. He just got the maddest he'd ever been in his life, and thus let out the most energy he could from said rage.

Yes there is? Youpi is the ground zero for his blast. He literally is the core of the ground zero for the explosion.

It doesn't matter though with Youpi being ground zero. All of the energy that dispersed into vaping the crater, originated in explosive form right at Youpi. Youpi tanked it and didn't vape from said energy, the rock around him was not so lucky.

Well I don't believe there is anything to support Base Youpi being strong enough to make Pitou look like a fodder. Which is the conclusion if you believe Pitou can't meaningfully damage him in any way.
 
Lol Damage, you originally agreed to it in that thread.

Having said that, I wasn't around during that time so I'm not sure how Lightspeed requirements have changed, but I'd imagine they were more lax back then. Would probably be best to get staff input on it now just to make sure?
 
Reading further, the main idea was to use the concept of blueshift or something, and someone said the En changing colors wasn't enough to prove it so it was scrapped.

Also @NotoriouSoda even if it went through it doesn't scale to anyone else or even Netero himself.
 
LordUrien935 said:
Reading further, the main idea was to use the concept of blueshift or something, and someone said the En changing colors wasn't enough to prove it so it was scrapped.

Also @NotoriouSoda even if it went through it doesn't scale to anyone else or even Netero himself.
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Yeah I know, I'm just happy that there a chance Issac could be light speed
 
Purgy said:
Lol Damage, you originally agreed to it in that thread.
Having said that, I wasn't around during that time so I'm not sure how Lightspeed requirements have changed, but I'd imagine they were more lax back then. Would probably be best to get staff input on it now just to make sure?
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I may have not had a problem with it, but that doesn't necessarily means it passes all standards :p
 
Why would he scale above Chrollo? They should be roughly equal, Zeno himself pretty much said as much. As for Silva, I don't think there's enough evidence to make that call, but I guess I can see an argument for it, I'd prefer they scaled to each other though.
 
He didn't say that at all, he said the fight would be different if Chrollo was trying to kill. It's mainly because Chrollo himself stated couldn't handle Zeno's Ko, resorting to using Owls Hatsu and Zeno held back in their fight. As for Silva, his only real feat is his Hatsu doing little damage to Zeno.
 
EmperorRorepme said:
He didn't say that at all, he said the fight would be different if Chrollo was trying to kill. It's mainly because Chrollo himself stated couldn't handle Zeno's Ko, resorting to using Owls Hatsu and Zeno held back in their fight. As for Silva, his only real feat is his Hatsu doing little damage to Zeno.
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Chrollo was able to fight both Zeno and Silva at the same time, with Zeno literally deciding to sacrifice himself for a guaranteed victory, that shows me they're pretty much equal. And Zeno's statement does pretty much say they're equal.

Chrollo says, "One-on-one, who would win - you or me?"

Zeno says, "I would win of course, though it would be a different story if you really were trying to kill me." meaning, Zeno wouldn't be certain he could win if Chrollo was actually trying.

As for Chrollo not having the defenses to block Zeno's aura infused hand strike, that makes sense given that Chrollo is a Specialist, meaning his weakest category is Enhancement. Zeno is a Transmuter, which is right next to Enhancement. This doesn't mean they're not roughly equal though, and we have sufficient evidence to say they pretty much are.
 
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