Possible Steven Universe downgrades.

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

@Cross

Yeah, that seems totally fine.

@Ever

I can confirm it was indeed in "Cat Fingers".

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

That....and Xcano has been really wanting to have this....feat? Be redone for a while. I guess that Cat (The one who did the calc that got SU at High 6-B) never redone so Xcano just decided to say "**** it" or whatever and did this.

The good thing is taht at least the SU verse is Tier 6 for this part of them. That's fine by me here.

 

[Saikou_The_Lewd_King]

I know very little about SU but isn't a Fusion basically all the Gems' power plus a little over? I doubt this little over is enough to make it jump 2 tier. So wouldn't "Likely higher" be in order here?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I know very little about SU but isn't a Fusion basically all the Gems' power plus a little over? I doubt this little over is enough to make it jump 2 tier. So wouldn't "Likely higher" be in order here?

"Likely higher" could be fine (depending on what others think), but fusions do seem significantly greater than the sum of their parts. Sardonyx effortlessly broke out of a Gem boobytrap which was going to completely crush both Garnet and Pearl with minimal resistance.

 

[Antoniofer]

ˆThis result apply to "normal" sized Gems (besides Lapis and including Garnet), Sapphire, Ruby and Steven will stay the same

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Fusions wont stay at High 6-B since the Large Country calc was bunk. Maaaaaybe "Large Island, possibly Small Country" is the highest I can see them as it currently stands for fusions.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Alright. Since Everlasting and Azathoth have given their input and is fine with this downgrade, i guess it's safe to do the changes. And i guess the only other thing here is how the CG fusions (sans Alexandrite) will be rated as...

 

[LordXcano]

"At least Large Island, likely higher"

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

@Xcano: That works.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

So is that about it or is anybody alright with the changes to be done now or a little later?

 

[Antvasima]

I am fine with these downgrades.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ok, i can apply this if you guys want. So we're changing every High 6-B to At least High 6-C, are we adding liquid manipulation and weather manipulation to Lapis' profile?

 

[Antvasima]

I think that changing them to just High 6-C seems more warranted until we get proof of higher levels.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Hmm. If we go that route, i think the fusions should at least have the "At least" part for them given how strong they are supposed to be as in-show.

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose so.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Alrighty.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ok, so High 6-C for the CG, Rose, Bismuth, Lion, Jasper, the Centipeedle, the Warship, and the Light Cannons, and At least High 6-C for Opal, Sugilite, Sardonyx, and Rainbow Quartz. An again, liquid manipulation and weather manipulation for lapis?

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose so, yes.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Yeah it seems that everybody is alright with this so....let's hope on to it. And i suppose we can add those two abilities of Lapis's, yeah.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Alright, i'll start adjusting them in a few minutes

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Aye.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Done, unless i missed something or someone else has something to add this thread should probably be closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Thank you for the help.

 

[CrossverseCrisis]

Same here. Thanks for staying up to do this, Weekly.

 

[MajorM117]

I still don't see how this makes the cyrtals gems indivaduly as powerful as the light cannon. Garnet was only able to destory the warship throught the inside blowing up a very obvious powersource, saying they are island level is like saying that the millenium falcon is moon level since it destoryed the Death Star by shooting its power reactor. At most gems like the cytals gems, Jasper, and Steven would be building to low town level.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

xD No

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The reason Garnet scales is because she hurt Jasper, who was at the epicenter of the explosion that blew of a hole in the ship, and was relatively unharmed.

 

[The_Everlasting]

There's also the fact that, even without that calc, Garnet has a casual City level feat (Punching part of a mountain and causing it to crumble), not to mention Sapphire's Multi-City Block level feat, so saying they're Building level is just plain downplay.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

There's also the fact that, even without that calc, Garnet has a casual City level feat (Punching part of a mountain and causing it to crumble), not to mention Sapphire's Multi-City Block level feat, so saying they're Building level is just plain downplay.

I'm also pretty sure the crumbling mountain was caused by the corrupted Gem they were fighting hitting the wall after being punched by her, so her directly punching the mountain likely would have done a lot more.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

And don't forget they defeated a living island in "Cat Fingers"

 

[Cropfist]

Why is it large island instead of island? The result is 79.59 gigatons which is still island.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Why is it large island instead of island? The result is 79.59 gigatons which is still island.

That's for one Laser Light Canon. The Gem Ship tanked four, simultaneously, which results in Large Island.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Because the ship was undamaged by 4 cannons, 79 gigatons is for one

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

Though something I did notice, shouldn't Amethyst and Pearl be Island level instead of Large Island level like Garnet? Opal's arrows, while appearing to do a bit more than four LLCs, couldn't harm the Gem Ship. Opal is much stronger than Amethyst and Pearl individually, but still seems to have less raw power than Garnet.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

The guidebook states that Amethyst is almost as strong as Garnet, and Pearl is comparable to if not superior to her

 

[Antoniofer]

I had zero ideo about those guidebooks, where people get those guides?

 

[AidenBrooks999]

Though something I did notice, shouldn't Amethyst and Pearl be Island level instead of Large Island level like Garnet? Opal's arrows, while appearing to do a bit more than four LLCs, couldn't harm the Gem Ship. Opal is much stronger than Amethyst and Pearl individually, but still seems to have less raw power than Garnet.

The guidebook states that Amethyst is almost as strong as Garnet, and Pearl is comparable to if not superior to her

Fusion is overrated(?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

"Almost" could mean only a few times weaker, which would still put them at Island and not Large Island. Jasper curbstomped Amethyst, and defeated both Amethyst and Pearl simultaneously despite later being relatively easily defeated by Garnet. Garnet isn't too far into Large Island level, so being "almost as strong" could still very easily be Island level+.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Amethyst did manage to take a few hits from Jasper instead of being instantly oneshot if that counts for anything

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

I dunno if I agree with the downgrade, Ameythst was able to take quite a few hits from Jasper and could fight enemies who were able to harm her.