Possible Darkseid Tiering upgrade

[Magi_Hussie]

Well, I saw someone mentioning this, so here goes nothing.

There's a random huge jump for Darkseid to be likely Outerversal. Darkseid with his Soulfire form is on par with The Source apparently.

Its shown in this link: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11120/111200299/4235152-dotng8survivesacosmicbattle.jpg

So, any thoughts about this?

 

[Cropfist]

You should contact Matthew Schroeder for this thread.

 

[PostmodernD]

Let time this was brought up, I believe it was agreed by Most to be an outlier. Though its been a while.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

Let time this was brought up, I believe it was agreed by Most to be an outlier. Though its been a while.

Hmmm....

 

[Cropfist]

Why it would be an outlier if it's a new form?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

This is an outlier because this story is stupid. The Source is suddenly a glowing bicolor person with a personality and an intent, and he and Soulfire Darkseid punch each other a lot.

 

[Magi_Hussie]

@Mattew Schroeder

"This is an outlier because this story is stupid. The Source is suddenly a glowing bicolor person with a personality and an intent, and he and Soulfire Darkseid punch each other a lot." V


@Matthew's reasonings for 2017

 

[Darkmon_cns]

This is an outlier because this story is stupid. The Source is suddenly a glowing bicolor person with a personality and an intent, and he and Soulfire Darkseid punch each other a lot.

isnt soul fire unique to this story?

 

[PostmodernD]

I haven't read the story, but I believe someone mentioned the Justice League punching out 5th dimensional beings in that story as well, but it has been a while.

 

[Antvasima]

The story severely contradicted all other portrayals of the Source as a formless beyond-dimensional Nirvana-like void, that cannot be separated into parts, as it is beyond the concepts of height, width, length, etcetera.

I think that Grant Morrison even mentioned this in an explanation text segment of his Final Crisis event.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@Ant

Grant Morrison treats it as loose canon. There was indeed a war that culminated in the genocide of the New Gods, and finished with Orion ripping Darkseid's heart. But you shouldn't hold neither it nor Countdown as literal canon (Since both are awful)

 

[PostmodernD]

Wait, did Morrison do something to make Countdown less Canon? Cause if he wasn't my hero before, he sure would be then.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Grant mentioned in an interview that it was just representations of what was really going on on a higher level.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

@PostmodernD

More like DC made it non-canon.

Don't Worry on Countdown, Focus Elsewhere

 

[PostmodernD]

Neat, I actually had given up DC for a while around Countdown.

Anyway, I've been off topic enough. This was treated as loose Canon at best, and there is little else supporting it. As much as I'd like me some tier 1 Darkseid, the support just isn't there.

 

[Antvasima]

So, should we close this thread?

 

[PostmodernD]

Probably? Its been discussed before, and there isn't really anyone coming in to make an argument for it right now.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay then.