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INTRODUCTION
Phew, this is a lot to unpack. I blame Microsoft Office Word for why this isn't in a blogpost. I will link blog when I'm done(will take quiet a while)
Sniper here. This thread is going to go over several things, which hopefully will make Arceus hax transitioning into 5D very believable. The other thing, is the Unown. My biggest inspiration behind this was this thread by @Arceus0x ,which didn't go so well. Okay, lets begin
TYPE
This concept has existed in the Pokรฉmon series since day one, and were referred to as โElementsโ. Iโll go over the basic terms.
Also called โTechniquesโ, moves are the various different applications of the 18 different element types that Pokรฉmon draw power from, limited by physiology or skill. Moving on, the 18 elements are energy that fuels the techniques. From steel energy, dark energy, fire energy several of which are what is used to power the various cards in Pokรฉmon TCG.
ENERGY APPLICATION FOR TECHNIQUES
Pokรฉmon don't just conjure their techniques from out of nowhere. Most Pokรฉmon are born with knowledge on how to focus their powers into performing the techniques.
Itโs mentioned here that Pokรฉmon use moves by first focusing power inside their bodies. Simply put, build up energy and release. This isn't a new concept, and has been brought up several times throughout the series. With this, itโs pretty clear that every Type has an energy source that they manipulate in order to use their powers. Although not every type energy has been mentioned, the notable ones are fire energy, dark energy, spirit energy, steel energy, fighting energy, poison energy, electric energy, ice energy and dragon energy. With this, coupled with focusing "power" inside them, we can easily come to the conclusion that energy is what drives all techniques that Pokรฉmon use. For additional supporting evidence, here are the notable cases of Pokรฉmon manipulating energy to use their power:
For added note, every time an attack is used, theres an energy indication, or a materialization of a ranged attack from the energy. Pretty minor but notable
ENERGY USAGE FOR POTENCY
Pokรฉmon can and have demonstrated several cases where they can adjust the power behind their attacks for higher and lower potency, as well as more energy increasing the potency of their powers. Notable ones include
Speed, Potency, Control, Range. These are all within the grasp of Pokรฉmon in using their powers
LEVELS AND EVOLUTION
Levels are used to gauge how powerful a Pokรฉmon is, with huge level differences causing Pokรฉmon to able to be outright unaffected by attacks theyโd otherwise be weak to. Their strength, speed and durability increases proportionally to the level or experience of Pokรฉmon. This extends to status moves as well, as there are several instances and in game statements that confirms it. From PMD In game dialogue, one can infer that everything gets more powerful (including status moves) as more experience is gained. This is also supported by instances in the anime as well as the Pokedex entries. Under normal conditions, they get significantly more powerful
Evolution brings about significant increase in overall power levels. This happens after Pokemon gather energy to a certain level. A great example is when Kukui mentions the power Lycanrock gained after evolving canโt be compared to what it had as Rockruff.
Mega Evolution placing them far beyond Evolution itself. To put it in simple terms, Mega Evolution is a whole different level of power
THE GODS CALLED UNOWN
The Unown are here to establish a massive layering of hax based off what has been established thus far. And its because f smething simple, theyre the only Pokemon who can stack up endlessly
It's mentioned that a single Unown can't do much (and a single Unown embodied the mindcape of a Pokemon and recreated its entire memories, as well as bfr Ash and others into it... And it was accidental). Simply put, a single Unown can still create subjective realities on its own, with its psychic energy is comparable to a third stage psychic who could ctrl + C and ctrl + P its memories of its past into a world it created and play it like a movie. So essentially, the difference between each Unown would be the difference between an Abra and Alakazam, so to speak.
Five Unown can turn day into night in a town for a week, using the imagination of a girl of course. Can easily create shadow-like copies of other Pokรฉmon. And Arceus himself used them to create 2A beings, and that was mentioned to be just โa glimpseโ at his true power . Unown didn't do much here because the person who's imagination they were drawing stuff from wasn't demanding much. What she wanted was granted at last. Now letโs move on
More and more Unown stacking up created such a tremendous amount of Psychic energy that they in addition to Molly's spiraling mental state(who's mind they were extracting things to do) , they weren't able to properly control it until they were calmed down.
To elaborate more on the relationship between psychic power potency and resistances, we have good cases here
To put it in simple terms, the more the Unown, the more psychic power behind the Subjective Reality hence it trounces the previous levels. With even a single Unown being capable of creating an entire mindscape and its power being compared to โnot muchโ and a full set being able to imagine Multiverse Level beings into existence. As the number of Unowns that exist within the cosmology is infinite, this creates an infinitely layered scaling chain of, where the stronger subjective reality trumps the weaker, based off how psychic power, potency and resistances work.
The number of Unown to be used in matches would be treated as layers of subjective reality, as well as layers for whatever the wielders can create.
FROM 3D POTENCY TO 4D AND BEYOND
This section describes the energy grows in potency from 3D levels to 4D levels as long as you can stack up vast quantities of it. With the potential to reach even higher levels, as Arceus did to create his realm. Here's the video describing what happens. But basically:
In Arceus Chronicles, Team Galactic used insane amounts of Fire Energy within the flame plate to open a rift in space time. Team Galactic explains that the energy that was released affected the fabric of space-time and they were ready to use that energy to open a gate that will bring back their leader, Cyrus. Unfortunately that energy grew so much that the machine which could handle 4D levels of energy couldn't anymore and it overloaded. Now with the energy cut off, the remaining energy created its own sentient being with enough energy to open a rift in space time with fire.
In conclusion, what matters here is the amount of energy that drives the techniques. Higher enough of it can affect dimensionality as well.
SCALING TO 5D APEX OF ALL EXISTENCE
At the very top of the Pokรฉmon hierarchy is Arceus, who is the origin of the power system that Pokรฉmon use. With his powers being mentioned to be an infinite. He transcends all Pokรฉmon, cannot be defeated as he's the Alpha Pokรฉmon, and transcends everything, as well as being responsible for giving all Pokรฉmon across the infinite universes their powers, or energy, that they use to manifest their techniques that is, this puts Arceus existence beyond the limits of the anything within the cosmology, as all the powers within the infinite cosmology itself are just subsets of its Essence, which are fundamentally 5D since Arceus created a HD realm with its power.
A Universal Energy System has been established, with the energy usage being able to reach higher dimensionalities if its stacked high enough. If the usage of techniques is determined by the energy output required to use said techniques, then thereโs no question that Arceus hax potency will scale to the energy required to create his dimension. So every hax would be 5D as well. The powers of Arceus being given to other Pokรฉmon doesnโt even allow lower mons to scale to Arceus for a couple of reasons . First is that no Pokรฉmon has all the power of Arceus . Theyโre basically given limited portions of power within them, as compared to Arceus himself who has it all and in infinity that surpasses everything within the cosmology. To quote a friend:
โIf the plate that brings out poison itself shares the same energy that affects 5D structures, it is 5Dโ.
CONCLUSION
1. UES page isn't relevant here, but a page should be added, explaining Pokรฉmon types, moves, evolutions and more with the information I've provided
2. The number of Unowns equates to layers of potency and resistance of whatever can be manifested into reality, as stronger psychic power can neutralize weaker ones and the Unown are basically "We can do anything within the context of the verse"
3. Arceus cannot be reached by whatever layers can be achieved beneath him, Unown or not, as well as the Essence of the power system being fundamentally 5D. This scales his hax to 5D at max power
Phew, this is a lot to unpack. I blame Microsoft Office Word for why this isn't in a blogpost. I will link blog when I'm done(will take quiet a while)
Sniper here. This thread is going to go over several things, which hopefully will make Arceus hax transitioning into 5D very believable. The other thing, is the Unown. My biggest inspiration behind this was this thread by @Arceus0x ,which didn't go so well. Okay, lets begin
TYPE
This concept has existed in the Pokรฉmon series since day one, and were referred to as โElementsโ. Iโll go over the basic terms.
Also called โTechniquesโ, moves are the various different applications of the 18 different element types that Pokรฉmon draw power from, limited by physiology or skill. Moving on, the 18 elements are energy that fuels the techniques. From steel energy, dark energy, fire energy several of which are what is used to power the various cards in Pokรฉmon TCG.
ENERGY APPLICATION FOR TECHNIQUES
Pokรฉmon don't just conjure their techniques from out of nowhere. Most Pokรฉmon are born with knowledge on how to focus their powers into performing the techniques.
Itโs mentioned here that Pokรฉmon use moves by first focusing power inside their bodies. Simply put, build up energy and release. This isn't a new concept, and has been brought up several times throughout the series. With this, itโs pretty clear that every Type has an energy source that they manipulate in order to use their powers. Although not every type energy has been mentioned, the notable ones are fire energy, dark energy, spirit energy, steel energy, fighting energy, poison energy, electric energy, ice energy and dragon energy. With this, coupled with focusing "power" inside them, we can easily come to the conclusion that energy is what drives all techniques that Pokรฉmon use. For additional supporting evidence, here are the notable cases of Pokรฉmon manipulating energy to use their power:
- Pikachu couldnโt use Iron Tail properly for the second time because he hadnโt built up the energy at the proper level
- Itโs easier for Turtwig to learn Energy Ball if it already knows Bullet Seed because it focuses power in the same way
- Energy Forming into stonehedge which can be controlled akin to home in on the targets direction
- Energy reaction between both whirlpool and bide signifies energy manipulation, which resulted in Piplup being filled with its power
- Gible had to concentrate and focus its dragon type power in order to use Draco Meteor.
- Axew had to concentrate energy within it in order to use Dragon Rage
- Ampharos had to focus its electric power into its arm in order to use Electro Ball
- Gumshoos filled a random rock with energy in order to use it as a rock type move
- Litten builds up its fire energy in order to use Ember
- Pichu could use electric type powers, it just hasnโt figured out how to control it yet
- Hawlucha accumulates power for Sky Attack
- They attributed the dispelling of their Z move to their inability to build up enough Z power in their bodies
- Armarouge evolves using an armor imbued with psychic energy that allows it to use psychic type powers
- Flabebe, Floette and Florges, manipulate the power within flowers in order to use their moves, and are defenseless without it.
ENERGY USAGE FOR POTENCY
Pokรฉmon can and have demonstrated several cases where they can adjust the power behind their attacks for higher and lower potency, as well as more energy increasing the potency of their powers. Notable ones include
- Tapu Buluโs Grassy Terrain gave Rowlet enough energy to use Razor Leaf
- Primplup absorbed the energy of Whirlpool in order to boost its power
- Can adjust the power of whirlpool, decreasing its energy field accordingly and in extension its size
- Mime jnr built up Teeter Dance to be potent enough to affect the entire crowd
- Monferno controlled the energy from Blaze and used that energy to evolve, which exponentially increased its power
- Cilan could adjust all his power to 20 percent. Could make Solar Beam significantly weaker
- Colress amplifies Bearticโs ice energy in a scheme to make it more powerful
- Ampharos couldnโt overpower Team Rockets electric machine and Pikachu was able to hold it off, forcing Rocket to amplify it even more. Pikachu completely overpowered it after Ash asked it to use full power
- Nurse Joy asked Audino to use the strongest Heal Pulse it could use, falling in line with Pokemon ability to readjust the potency of their powers.
- Lycanrock is said to have acquired a lot more power after evolution, it couldnโt control its power, causing its power flow to get interrupted when building up power to use its moves.
- Torracat amplifies its flame power, causing just the aura of it to expand across the stadium
- Absorbs the energy of Blast Burn in order to amplify its fire power
- This was a continuation of the episode that marks point 12. Absorbing of Blast Burn sends its power off the charts
- Ash Dragonite steals the energy from Draco Meteor combines that energy and sends it back to Haxorus, so powerful its Outrage wasnโt enough to stop it
- Riolu builds up enough power to break through Grapploctโs grip when it was being completely overpowered earlier
- Rare candy is packed with energy that raises a Pokรฉmonโs level by one stage after consumption. And an increase in level raises all stats and power of attacks
- Reaper Cloth has immense Spirit Energy that causes Duskclops to Evolve
- Electirizer has tremendous electric energy that causes Electivire to evolve
- Goomy uses a smaller Rain Dance Earlier to affect only Serena then later uses a much bigger version to stop Team Rocket
- Noctowl is able to control the range of his confusion. Affecting the entire room and negating Gengar's invisibility
- Grant's Onix could control the size and trajectory of his Rock Tomb
- Talonflame and Inceneroar were unaffected by Beartic's Cryogenic ice energy at first, then, Beartic ice energy being accidentally expelled once again creates a much more potent version that bypasses their earlier resistance and freezes them solid.
- Cetitan can build up enough energy to reach cryogenic temperatue. A clear relation between energy and potency
- Victini make other pokemon significantly powerful by sharing its energy. With the potency of Pokemon linked to how much energy they can output; this is one of the clear examples of what im trying to prove
- Though a single Tynamo can't do much, a chain of them can create electricity as powerful as a lightning
- Regidrago has high concentration of dragon energy which allows it to use Dragon Type Moves with greater power
- Pikachu being overcharged with electrical energy one-shot a gym leaders entire team
- The TCG card "Psychic Infinity" as the name suggests, allows you to deal endless damage by stacking psychic energy card on top of each other. Limit being the game mechanics itself
LEVELS AND EVOLUTION
Levels are used to gauge how powerful a Pokรฉmon is, with huge level differences causing Pokรฉmon to able to be outright unaffected by attacks theyโd otherwise be weak to. Their strength, speed and durability increases proportionally to the level or experience of Pokรฉmon. This extends to status moves as well, as there are several instances and in game statements that confirms it. From PMD In game dialogue, one can infer that everything gets more powerful (including status moves) as more experience is gained. This is also supported by instances in the anime as well as the Pokedex entries. Under normal conditions, they get significantly more powerful
Evolution brings about significant increase in overall power levels. This happens after Pokemon gather energy to a certain level. A great example is when Kukui mentions the power Lycanrock gained after evolving canโt be compared to what it had as Rockruff.
1. Elecrabuzz can only evolve into Electivire if it's given the Electrizer which contains huge amount of electric energy
2. Dusksclops can only evolve into Dusknoir if it's given a Reaper Cloth which contains powerful Spiritual Energy
3. Porygon 2 can evolve into Porygon Z which is overflowing with data. Note: Porygon are entirely data beings so their power is defined by data
4. Magmmar can only evolve into Magmortar after being given the Magmarizer which contains tremendous magma energy
5. Spewpa builds up energy to evolve
6. It matures its energy it needs to evolve by mixing mud with psychic energy. The result is its evolution acquiring the psychic type
7. Alakazam psychic power is much stronger than Kadabra.
2. Dusksclops can only evolve into Dusknoir if it's given a Reaper Cloth which contains powerful Spiritual Energy
3. Porygon 2 can evolve into Porygon Z which is overflowing with data. Note: Porygon are entirely data beings so their power is defined by data
4. Magmmar can only evolve into Magmortar after being given the Magmarizer which contains tremendous magma energy
5. Spewpa builds up energy to evolve
6. It matures its energy it needs to evolve by mixing mud with psychic energy. The result is its evolution acquiring the psychic type
7. Alakazam psychic power is much stronger than Kadabra.
Mega Evolution placing them far beyond Evolution itself. To put it in simple terms, Mega Evolution is a whole different level of power
1. This translates to Alakazam acquiring more psychic energy and unlocking hidden psychic power. Directly correlates its increase in power to an increase in psychic energy after converting his strength
2. This translates to Mewtwo's mental power growing significantly
3. Mega Banette restrained energy is unleashed, allowing it to show baleful power. In addition, the Cursed Energy amplifies it's power significantly. Another example of more energy directly linked to increase in Potency of powers. It's restrained energy is released, which significantly increases its power
4. Mega Medicham mental power is now potent enough to manifest chi arms.. Mega Evolution also amps up its willpower, allowing it to use it to manifest its spirit as a physical force.
5. Mega Manectric has such an explosive amount of electricity its too much to control
6. Overwhelming power fills its body and its flames turn blue
7. Mega Lucarios aura has expanded significantly after mega evolving. Now bathed in this energy its battle style is ruthless
8. Mega Evolution enhances Mega Gardevoirs special attack significantly, and with its heart open, it's able to use tremendous psychic power.
9. Mega Evolution awakened Gengar, causing its body to be brimming with power and allowing it to access and see other dimensions
2. This translates to Mewtwo's mental power growing significantly
3. Mega Banette restrained energy is unleashed, allowing it to show baleful power. In addition, the Cursed Energy amplifies it's power significantly. Another example of more energy directly linked to increase in Potency of powers. It's restrained energy is released, which significantly increases its power
4. Mega Medicham mental power is now potent enough to manifest chi arms.. Mega Evolution also amps up its willpower, allowing it to use it to manifest its spirit as a physical force.
5. Mega Manectric has such an explosive amount of electricity its too much to control
6. Overwhelming power fills its body and its flames turn blue
7. Mega Lucarios aura has expanded significantly after mega evolving. Now bathed in this energy its battle style is ruthless
8. Mega Evolution enhances Mega Gardevoirs special attack significantly, and with its heart open, it's able to use tremendous psychic power.
9. Mega Evolution awakened Gengar, causing its body to be brimming with power and allowing it to access and see other dimensions
THE GODS CALLED UNOWN
The Unown are here to establish a massive layering of hax based off what has been established thus far. And its because f smething simple, theyre the only Pokemon who can stack up endlessly
It's mentioned that a single Unown can't do much (and a single Unown embodied the mindcape of a Pokemon and recreated its entire memories, as well as bfr Ash and others into it... And it was accidental). Simply put, a single Unown can still create subjective realities on its own, with its psychic energy is comparable to a third stage psychic who could ctrl + C and ctrl + P its memories of its past into a world it created and play it like a movie. So essentially, the difference between each Unown would be the difference between an Abra and Alakazam, so to speak.
Five Unown can turn day into night in a town for a week, using the imagination of a girl of course. Can easily create shadow-like copies of other Pokรฉmon. And Arceus himself used them to create 2A beings, and that was mentioned to be just โa glimpseโ at his true power . Unown didn't do much here because the person who's imagination they were drawing stuff from wasn't demanding much. What she wanted was granted at last. Now letโs move on
More and more Unown stacking up created such a tremendous amount of Psychic energy that they in addition to Molly's spiraling mental state(who's mind they were extracting things to do) , they weren't able to properly control it until they were calmed down.
To elaborate more on the relationship between psychic power potency and resistances, we have good cases here
- Sabrinaโs father mentions he canโt beat Sabrina Psychic powers with his, even with his potent psychic powers of his own.
- Mega Mewtwo Ys mental capabilities are mentioned to have grown to such an extent he can crush a skyscraper with a mere thought of it.
- Farigiraf potency of his psychic power having increased by 10 times is directly linked to the psychic energy it acquired after evolving. Supporting Kukuiโs mention of significant power difference between pre stage and evolution.
- Mewtwo is completely unaffected by Confusion
- In game, Psychic Type Pokรฉmon resist psychic type attacks.
- Grumpig can amplify its psychic power to the level that it can control others minds. So more psychic power =Higher and higher potency
- Mega Alakazam has huge quantities of psychic energy after converting all its physical strength, unlocking its hidden power and allowing it to see the course of a person's life. This is directly linked to Mega Evolution, an evolution that is on another level compared to normal evolution
- Alakazam psychic power is much stronger than Kadabra. Which falls in line with the power level difference between pre stage and late stage
- Slowbros psychic power can overwhelm other psychic type pokemon
- Abra could neutralize Haunter's physic attack by combining its power with Sabrina's psychic power
To put it in simple terms, the more the Unown, the more psychic power behind the Subjective Reality hence it trounces the previous levels. With even a single Unown being capable of creating an entire mindscape and its power being compared to โnot muchโ and a full set being able to imagine Multiverse Level beings into existence. As the number of Unowns that exist within the cosmology is infinite, this creates an infinitely layered scaling chain of, where the stronger subjective reality trumps the weaker, based off how psychic power, potency and resistances work.
The number of Unown to be used in matches would be treated as layers of subjective reality, as well as layers for whatever the wielders can create.
FROM 3D POTENCY TO 4D AND BEYOND
This section describes the energy grows in potency from 3D levels to 4D levels as long as you can stack up vast quantities of it. With the potential to reach even higher levels, as Arceus did to create his realm. Here's the video describing what happens. But basically:
In Arceus Chronicles, Team Galactic used insane amounts of Fire Energy within the flame plate to open a rift in space time. Team Galactic explains that the energy that was released affected the fabric of space-time and they were ready to use that energy to open a gate that will bring back their leader, Cyrus. Unfortunately that energy grew so much that the machine which could handle 4D levels of energy couldn't anymore and it overloaded. Now with the energy cut off, the remaining energy created its own sentient being with enough energy to open a rift in space time with fire.
In conclusion, what matters here is the amount of energy that drives the techniques. Higher enough of it can affect dimensionality as well.
SCALING TO 5D APEX OF ALL EXISTENCE
At the very top of the Pokรฉmon hierarchy is Arceus, who is the origin of the power system that Pokรฉmon use. With his powers being mentioned to be an infinite. He transcends all Pokรฉmon, cannot be defeated as he's the Alpha Pokรฉmon, and transcends everything, as well as being responsible for giving all Pokรฉmon across the infinite universes their powers, or energy, that they use to manifest their techniques that is, this puts Arceus existence beyond the limits of the anything within the cosmology, as all the powers within the infinite cosmology itself are just subsets of its Essence, which are fundamentally 5D since Arceus created a HD realm with its power.
A Universal Energy System has been established, with the energy usage being able to reach higher dimensionalities if its stacked high enough. If the usage of techniques is determined by the energy output required to use said techniques, then thereโs no question that Arceus hax potency will scale to the energy required to create his dimension. So every hax would be 5D as well. The powers of Arceus being given to other Pokรฉmon doesnโt even allow lower mons to scale to Arceus for a couple of reasons . First is that no Pokรฉmon has all the power of Arceus . Theyโre basically given limited portions of power within them, as compared to Arceus himself who has it all and in infinity that surpasses everything within the cosmology. To quote a friend:
โIf the plate that brings out poison itself shares the same energy that affects 5D structures, it is 5Dโ.
CONCLUSION
1. UES page isn't relevant here, but a page should be added, explaining Pokรฉmon types, moves, evolutions and more with the information I've provided
2. The number of Unowns equates to layers of potency and resistance of whatever can be manifested into reality, as stronger psychic power can neutralize weaker ones and the Unown are basically "We can do anything within the context of the verse"
3. Arceus cannot be reached by whatever layers can be achieved beneath him, Unown or not, as well as the Essence of the power system being fundamentally 5D. This scales his hax to 5D at max power
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