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Pokemon Discussion Thread - Red & Blue arc

Indexing the main Gen VIII legendaries currently is still a no as we lack feats to scale them, and scaling them to the weakest legendaries with no reason beyond "it's a legendary and so it's a reasonable low-end" was also something that was going to be removed in a future CRT for legendaries like Shaymin IIRC.

So far only Regieleki and Regidraco could get profiles by easily scaling to Regirock, Regice and Registeel.
 
Bobsican said:
So far only Regieleki and Regidraco could get profiles by easily scaling to Regirock, Regice and Registeel.
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The Galarian Birds were also added as ability keys to the originals' profiles, but idk if they ever got updated with the missing abilities
 


“While developing Diamond & Pearl, Giratina originally embodied the idea of an ‘antiworld,’ which is a paradox of Time and Space. It exists in relation to Dialga and Palkia. That’s what I had in mind when I was developing Diamond & Pearl.”

“I was not aware of any of that during the Diamond & Pearl’s development. Masuda told me about it when we started developing Platinum. So it was after Diamond & Pearl for me (laughs). I normally receive key terms from Masuda in the first stage of development, but there were many random terms like ‘antimatter’ and ‘e=mc2,’ ‘Reversed Mt. Fuji’ (‘Sakasa Fuji’) and so on. He explained that ‘Sakasa Fuji’ is the reflection of Mt Fuji on the lake, and it’s the antimatter world. It was challenging to put that concept into the game, so we did extensive research. I didn’t know what exactly ‘antimatter’ was either. I personally think I comprehend it well, but I wonder….

“Yes. It exists but it actually doesn’t. It doesn’t exist but it does. That sort of thing. The mountain exists on the lake through human eyes, but it’s only a reflection and doesn’t exist. It’s a diverse world. You see it only because you are looking at it with your eyes. I’m impressed [with Kawachimaru] for being able to take ingredients that were not substantial and incorporate them into Platinum.”
 
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That would also come with better NPI for Pokemon, as while they aren’t comparable to Giratina they can still interact with it and it’s effects.
 
I mean if everyone can interact with it just fine them Giratina really shouldn’t get NEP, since it doesn’t seem to mean anything in-verse.
 
Why not assume it's a product of game mechanics, PIS?
It's necessary for the player character to be able to navigate whatever they're put through, & that can include Water. So if the devs want you to traverse a waterfall that flows up, it's a necessity of gameplay that Pokemon be able to use Surf on that.

& navigating the Distortion World is a big segment in a plot mandatory part.
 
A reminder to not derail other threads and to come HERE for general discussion, thank you and to be frank, pokémon is a mess right now;

*I've heard nothing about the 4-A calc for Ultra-Necrozma.

*Still waiting for the high 5-A calc for the mid tier legendaries to be approved.

*There's currently TWO CRTs going on, even tho it's supposed to be one crt per verse.

*Pokémon physiology is another issue, that needs to be discussed.

*Let's not forget the Pokémon canon debacle (which will affect many profiles).

*Several barebones profiles need updating.

*Etc...

We need to stop trying to do several things at once, instead we should prioritise what needs to be done immediately and what can be done at another time (currently speaking there's been very little constructive progress at all).
 
I'm not too knowledgeable about the tiers, but can I get a link to the Physiology Blog & a list of points of contention about Pokemon Physiology, please?
 
Ok I have a question to ask. A hand-full of pokemon on this wiki are described to be "above instinct", yet they are hard-wired to battle. Isn't being hard wired to do something instinct? Fighting is a pretty basic instinct if you ask me.
 
I'd assume it's meant to mean something like "battling comes natural to them". Pokemon like to battle, & many of them, seemingly more often than not, can battle & learn effectively, even with little training or no trainer.
& I'd assume the "above instinct" part comes at least in part from Pokemon often showing intellectual capacity animals lack, understanding human speech & such better, possibly also accounting for the above.

I am not quite an authority in terms of my position on the hierarchy for this, & I'm unsure who wrote those ratings how they did or why, but that'd be my interpretation about the logic.
It may be worthwhile to figure out who to ask about this.
 
Malamar and Aegislash should also have an intelligence upgrade based on being smart, nasty, manipulative bastards as stated in their SWSH dex entries.

Malamar from Shield: It's said that Malamar's hypnotic powers played a role in certain history-changing events.

Aegislash Shield Form from Shield: Its potent spectral powers allow it to manipulate others. It once used its powers to force people and Pokémon to build a kingdom to its liking.
 
Loads, maybe nearly all pokemon have almost the same level of intelligence as humans. They speak, just in poke-language. They are also all essentially bilingual considering they understand human. They act like animals because of their instinct, nature and the fact that they have no unity. They also have a constant thirst for battle meaning that there's always gonna be some mass destruction around. If pokemon were able to unite into societies they'd be really advanced, i mean, in PMD we got a small version of a pokemon society and they already had powerplants and shiz.
 
*doesn’t mean all Pokémon are human-level intellect, though. Multiple Pokemon are described as flying into an instinctual rage, destroying everything in sight. Good examples are Gyarados, Tyranitar or (bit of cheating here) Mega Salamence. Funny how most ‘Below-Average’ Pokemon tend to be Fully Evolved.
 
I'd say it isn't the intelligence factor, rather abilities, genetic memory and the fact that you hold enough force to blast apart a mountain in your hand
 
I mean, you say that, but in the Anime the literal first thing a Gyarados does when it evolves is shoot Hyper Beam at something, and literally live in the ‘Lake of Rage’. Tyranitar is also described as going into a similar frenzy, last time I checked.
 
their intelligence is that of Neanderthals, not humans. Very few actually are equal to humans in intelligence.
 
Also Neanderthals being less intelligent than Humans is actually a very common misconception, they were roughly equal in terms of intelligence and recent studies have shown Neanderthals had (proportionally) larger brains.

Sorry if this derails into a history lesson lol!
 
The_Axiom_of_Virgo said:
Also Neanderthals being less intelligent than Humans is actually a very common misconception, they were roughly equal in terms of intelligence and recent studies have shown Neanderthals had (proportionally) larger brains.

Sorry if this derails into a history lesson lol!
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They were smart, but definitely not on our level of intelligence. The misconception would be people thinking we have the same level of intelligence. Technology is the biggest example.
 
The argument is actually that they can blend in with our society. There’s a bunch of info done on that subject.
 
Ofc Neanderthals aren't as smart as current humans but back in the day, their intelligence was comparable to our ancestors (such as the use of fire, basic tools and culture) this is further backed by the fact Neanderthals (as you said) can blend into our society as shown when some Neanderthals actually integrated with humans at around the same time as Neanderthals were going extinct (one of the earliest specimens of a modern day human was literally a hybrid).
 
Anyway I agree that most pokémon are sentient however only a few are fully sapient, most notably legendaries/mythicals and mons lucky enough to get a lead role in a movie (telepathy GG).

Still kinda bizarre that humans canonically eat, marry and become Pokémon...
 
Yeah, pokemon lore's nuts lol.

Most psychic types should be sapient considering how intelligent the majority of them are, as well as possibly ghost types.
 
Alien Pokémon are considered sentient too. Cleffa can build a spaceship, Starmie’s Starmie, and Elgyem/Beeheem can mindHax entire towns and communicate freely, some even having Precog. Then again, most Aliens are Psychic anyways, so \(‘-‘)/
 
Yeah Alakazam and Metagross are definitely up there too (I can't wait for Calyrex to get his profile).


Also I just realized it works vice verse; Pokémon canonically eat, marry and become human... (iirc humans and pokémon were once the same) yeah the lore is indeed nuts, what a terrifying world to live in.
 
I mean we've got MFTL+ Guzzlord (would be funnier to bring up Stakataka but alas it doesn't have a profile) whose slower than a sumo wrestler so wynaut?

Jokes aside, it's still curious that many folks (mainly on YT) still use in game stats and BST as legitimate scaling.
 
Yay for MFTL+ Slowpoke
Man, at this pace we'll get Gen IX before legitimate feats to use for the self-contained Galar legendaries.
 
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