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I also agree with Agnaa here, who essentially explains a point I've been arguing this entire time.Agnaa said:are we to just assume that every time a character creates something, they release some kind of "reverse explosion" that loses it's energy in proportion to the square of the distance traveled? Because that feels very arbitrary
GBE being used for creation feats is also insanely arbitrary. GBE is the amount of energy that needs to be added to separate two objects that are gravitationally bound together. That has nothing to do with creation.
If you're trying to find mathematical accuracy in poofing objects into existence, you'll never find it, perhaps outside of E=MC^2 which both heavily buffs and nerfs various feats.
One issue with much of these feats however, is that the object or pocket reality is all created simultaneously; there is no propagation of energy that would follow the Inverse-square law. The effect isn't more 'intense' at the epicenter as would, say, an explosion or other propagated effect is, it's more often than not some uniform "poof into existence".Agnaa said:Inverse square law is a rule related to explosions, why on earth would we apply it to creation
It isn't related to explosions, it's related to any dispersal of energy in 3-D space.
Anyway, @Agnaa: Do you think that we should insert better explanations into any of these pages?Antvasima said:Well, it may be best if we keep the current standards then, but it is probably a good idea if Agnaa inserts some form of further explanation of energy dispersal into one or more of the following pages:
Creation
Celestial Body Feats
Environmental Destruction
Pocket Reality Manipulation
Note that this only applies to the character's capacity to harm other characters if their Creation is connected to their other abilities; for example, it can be reasoned that a mage who can conjure a city with little mana can destroy one with the same amount of mana, however a character who can create objects without other ways of harming their opponents wouldn't be able to harness that power to hurt another character, and would fall under a light form of Environmental Destruction. |
I suppose that we should probably stick with this solution then.DarkDragonMedeus said:I'm still not budging based on the original ordeal proposed by me, DT, and Matt tbh.
Creation feats Tier 2 and above are clearly AP feats, I see no reason for why we should knit pick every single creator character in fiction just for creating things smaller than that. Creating planets and stars out of nothing would still require some form of GBE manipulation others-wise those same planets and stars would have 0 gravity.
Thank you. I think that seems excellent.Agnaa said:@Ant Yeah, if no-one has any rewording suggestions, I'd like to add the following to the Creation page: