PMMM... downgrade?

[PrettyFearMachine]

Not sure if this is going to end up as one, but I have one thing to ask.

Why do we scale Patricia's physical stats to her feat that was achieved through Reality Warping? Last time I checked, the ability is considered to be hax.

The feat also seems to fall under Environmental Destruction, as it doesn't deal direct harm to the characters Patricia fights, and there's little reason to scale the feat to her physical characteristics.

 

[Kaltias]

1) You checked wrong because reality warping is also AP (Or else literally every creation feat ever would be hax)

2) She maintains that place with her existence. Saying that it doesn't scale to her stats is like saying that Kagutsuchi isn't 2-A, because he does literally the same thing but on a higher scale

3) We don't scale it to her physical stats to begin with

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Dunno if all creation is achieved through Reality Warping.

Then why is her durability 7-B and Homura, alongside others, scale to it?

 

[Kaltias]

99% of them are.

It's explained on the profile

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Also, I have no idea why you compare Patricia to Kagutsuchi, seeing as the former maintains a limited 3-D space, while the latter holds the infinite multiverse across the entire time axis.

And another thing: what is the basis for using an explosion formula?

 

[Kaltias]

Because it's the exact same feat, except that Kagutsuchi maintains a multiverse and Patricia maintains a city sized zone.

It's the method that we use for pocket dimensions feat in general. Calc how much energy you need to blow up this place.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

>(1)Was killed by an inexperienced Homura without most of her military technology, (2)but should be strong enough that Homura would need her homemade bombs to kill. (3)Should be superior to Oktavia.

1 is pretty much an anti-feat, no?

2. I find it hard to believe a homemade explosive is stronger than factory-made explosives, be them amped with magic or not, so I don't think this proves anything.

And 3 is based on the assumption that Octavia is the weakest witch because it originated from Sayaka?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Oh, the factory bomb is definitely stronger, it just didn't do jack cuz her opponent was a frigging Walpurgis.

The weakest witch was H.N Elly actually.

 

[Kaltias]

No, 3 is based on the "assumption" Patricia > Oktavia because Patricia already scales above her.

Kyoko already scales below Patricia, and Oktavia definitely doesn't scale above Kyoko

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Then why does Patricia scale above Oktavia?

 

[Kaltias]

Because Patricia = Madoka = Kyoko's dura.

Kyoko's dura > her own AP > Oktavia

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

>When you forget things like Stone Wall and Glass Canon do exist in PMMM.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Starting to feel ashamed of calling myself a supporter of the verse, oof.

But is there viable proof for her having 7-B dura?

 

[Kaltias]

For who?

We are talking about three different characters with 7-B dura at the same time

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I'm talking about Patricia. Considering there are glass cannons in the verse, I don't think it's accurate to assume she's definitely not one, unless there is more proof.

 

[Kaltias]

Which we don't assume.

Scaling her from Oktavia already means assuming that she is a glass cannon, because Patricia'AP >> Oktavia's dura

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

So it's like this:

Patricia < Kyoko < Oktavia?

And Oktavia's durability is 7-B because she took attacks from Kyoko, am I right?

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

Kyoko wasn't being serious when fighting Oktavia.

 

[Kaltias]

@Reby

Yes.

But Oktavia's durability is = her AP because she is a physical fighter

@Homu

She was though

 

[Homu_Sweet_Homu]

???

I thought Kyoko was pulling her punches cuz she believed she could get Sayala back.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

I see.

But I think Patricia's page, alongside some other stuff, needs to be adjusted.

 

[SomebodyData]

I mentioned that before, but yeah Kyoko was holding back against Oktavia, however, Oktavia did manage to get some scratches on Kyoko. So Oktavia is probably at the very low-end of 7-B.

@Rebuble Why tho?

 

[Kaltias]

Oktavia definitely isn't at the low end when she scales from damaging somewhat a person in the upper end of the tier. Below Kyoko yes, but not low end 7-B

 

[SomebodyData]

Well at this point its mostly semantics, though I would think that giving multiple scratches and cuts to someone who isn't even trying to kill you and using her defensive magic mostly to protect someone else generally hints the gap is huge, but it doesn't really matter.

 

[PrettyFearMachine]

Well, with the question now having been answered, should we close this thread?