Planet Sizes Discussion (Fairy Tail Included) - STAFF ONLY

[CNBA3]

But it would still be inconsistent anyway compared to the estimated size of the ocean to Fiore which is all wrong.

 

[Agnaa]

But it would still be inconsistent anyway compared to the estimated size of the ocean to Fiore which is all wrong.

Could you explain why?

 

[CNBA3]

But it would still be inconsistent anyway compared to the estimated size of the ocean to Fiore which is all wrong.

Could you explain why?

Because the distance between the continents Ishgar (Fiore) and Alakitasia would be around the same distance as that of the Atlantic Ocean, as it takes 10 days to sail there, which contradicts the size on the map with Fiore, as it would make it smaller than what the 400 km distance would make

 

[Agnaa]

Because the distance between the continents Ishgar (Fiore) and Alakitasia would be around the same distance as that of the Atlantic Ocean, as it takes 10 days to sail there, which contradicts the size on the map with Fiore, as it would make it smaller than what the 400 km distance would make

I don't understand. Why is the ocean between those continents small? Why do you assume a particular speed of sailing? What map gives the size of the ocean?

 

[CNBA3]

https://**********.com/manga/Fairy-Tail/0441-006.png We can calc distance between fiore and alakteshia, it is small because that is how it is calced, which takes 10 days

and using the average speed of sailboats (8 Knots) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ilboat-speed&usg=AOvVaw3BafN1wHc9BsM0rnhgBUv6

that would give us the distance of 3555.84 km

And if doing Px scaling on the map above, it would be much smaller than in appearance to the other maps.

 

[Agnaa]

Firstly, that's a completely different map than the one we used to scale for Fiore's size.

Like I said before:

A calc leading to a bad result if you stack more pixel scaling on top of it doesn't invalidate the original calc.

But I guess that does just show that the size of Fiore is inconsistent, so we should reject the size for giving wildly different results when approached through multiple equally valid methods. Which is kinda a separate issue from rejecting it due to being too big.

 

[CNBA3]

They are of the same map as they leave from the same country as Fiore as it still has a similar shape and geographic features, It would still be inconsistent anyway regardless.

 

[Agnaa]

They are of the same map as they leave from the same country as Fiore as it still has a similar shape and geographic features, It would still be inconsistent anyway regardless.

No, they are different maps. They are of the same area, but there's differences in how they're drawn.

The shape's "similar" overall, but is still quite off. This one has the river in the top-middle 50.89% of the way from the top-left corner to the river on the far right. This one has that same river 65.88% of the way between those two landmarks.

I'm sure I could find more, similarly egregious, inconsistencies between landmarks on those two maps.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that this seems to make sense.

 

[CNBA3]

Anyway, the size would be considered rejected anyway with how things are now

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@CNBA3

Fiore is staying the size it is, this was just for planet size, also the whole reason we're using earth is because it's a safe lowball, I'm sure everyone can agree that the planet is potentially bigger, but they just see it as safer to use earth and the such, unless given new info

 

[CNBA3]

But it would still apply to the planet being bigger anyway and it contradicted by other statements as well which makes it unusable.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

@CNBA3

That doesn't matter, there can still be large countries, the planet size isn't necesarily restricted to be just earth size, it's that there isn't enough info to imply it being bigger, but it still possibly could be, meaning it's not restricting things smaller than it on the planet, either way, I'm not arguing on this since everyone else agrees with me

 

[CNBA3]

There can be small countries too, it is then important to note that Etherion has to be revaluated then since we cannot use a country that has no stated size.

 

[Agnaa]

@CNBA3

That doesn't matter, there can still be large countries, the planet size isn't necesarily restricted to be just earth size, it's that there isn't enough info to imply it being bigger, but it still possibly could be, meaning it's not restricting things smaller than it on the planet, either way, I'm not arguing on this since everyone else agrees with me

I disagree, and I outlined why above.

Most importantly, its size should be rejected due to inconsistent results for it. You can't just take the one statement that gives the highest results, and use pixel scaling on inconsistent maps to get a ludicrously sized country.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

That one statement is far more reliable than using boat speed as a measurement, It's not perfect but it is the best we have, using in verse measurements is far more reliable than other assumptions that use boat speed as a measurement

Not to mention no one has actually presented opposing ways and other evidence to measure the size for the country, we pixel scale plenty of other stuff this way, I don't see how this is that big of an issue, I'm ok with limiting most Planet sizes to Earth size, but the country size should stay the same since it doesn't rely on calc stacking

 

[CNBA3]

it isn't assumption when we know the values for measurement. Well maps have always been the most unreliable as they tend to be just unterpretation of what we believe to be the location of something rather than the physical visualization of said location.

 

[Agnaa]

That one statement is far more reliable than using boat speed as a measurement, It's not perfect but it is the best we have, using in verse measurements is far more reliable than other assumptions that use boat speed as a measurement

Not to mention no one has actually presented opposing ways and other evidence to measure the size for the country, we pixel scale plenty of other stuff this way, I don't see how this is that big of an issue, I'm ok with limiting most Planet sizes to Earth size, but the country size should stay the same

I wouldn't be so fussed about this if the maps were the same, but the stark differences between landmarks, as I pointed out above, make me not really trust pixel scaling to the maps. But if I'm in the minority, I'm in the minority.

To clarify, I think that in this specific case the country is small enough to not contradict the planet size rule, but if a verse had a continent with a surface area of 3 billion square kilometers, I think it's fine to apply this sort of rule.

 

[InfiniteSped]

cough

For real though, this seems reasonable.

 

[Dargoo_Faust]

I think that this seems to make sense.

I agree with this as well.
Density does throw in a wrentch into a lot of near-Earth-size calculations, but assuming Earth density is fine in most cases where the size difference isn't crazy.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we go with AKM sama's suggestions then?

 

[Damage3245]

That seems to be what the majority are in favor of.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. How should we apply this then?

 

[The_Calaca]

We dismiss every size that has to be calculated to be larger than Earth if there is no indication that said planet is larger, either by confirmation (author giving a number) or by suggestion (the planet showing features like having rings) and use Earth size.

 

[M3X_2.0]

100% agree with Calaca

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Calaca makes sense, and also agree by AKM Sama's suggestion.

 

[Antvasima]

Calaca makes sense to me too, but in which page should we write this instruction? The Attack Potency footnotes section?

 

[PowerToScale]

maybe it's own like the lightning feat's page and the light feats page.

 

[Antvasima]

There wouldn't be enough regulation text for an entire separate page.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Just make a discussion rule about it.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

I suggest that there should be a list of the different ways that a planet could be suggested to have a large size. (Unless it having rings is the only indicator of size in planets, I don't know that much about planet size.)

 

[Antvasima]

We dismiss every size that has to be calculated to be larger than Earth if there is no indication that said planet is larger, either by confirmation (author giving a number) or by suggestion (the planet showing features like having rings) and use Earth size.

Is somebody willing to write a draft text for this? I might be able to improve on the text flow afterwards.

 

[GojiBoyForever]

This rule rule applies only planets that are Earth correct?

 

[Moritzva]

To confirm a calculation regarding a fictional planet's size, it must be first be confirmed with little doubt that:

• There are legitimate reasons to believe the planet may be larger beyond the calculation itself.
  • Examples of this can vary from confirmation from the author, suggestion or statements from characters in-verse, or features resembling that of later planets (such as rings around the planet).
• There are limited anti-feats regarding the planet's size, such as defying physics that would come with a planet of such size.
• The planet does not directly resemble our planet Earth, and thus, can be assumed to be of different size.
• The planet calculation is consistent with any other shots or models of the planet in the verse.

How does this sound? Anything else to note?

 

[Antvasima]

I am not sure. What do the rest of you think?

 

[The_Calaca]

I think that's fine.

 

[Elizhaa]

I think Moritzva's points sound fine.

 

[Antvasima]

I slightly modified the post to more closely follow our standard structure for this sort of thing.

 

[Moritzva]

I slightly modified the post to more closely follow our standard structure for this sort of thing.

Thank you. I forgot how to use bulletpoints.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem.