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Look at the beginning of the thread. There I break down the multipliers in better detail
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PHAT Metal Gear Rising Verse Upgrades (And some slight speed downgrades)
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Yeah, I need to know where the 2x multiplier comes from for the patriot body.
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I thought that at first tbh, but no it's actually for a single slash in dilated time. I made another calc for that that got it higher but it's unusable now that we know the rain does indeed moveAlso shouldn’t Xcanos blade mode calc actually be much higher? He assumes Raiden performs a single slash throught the duration of the time dilation when he can actually perform upwards of 20 slashes
Raiden's Speed Against the Rain (Redux)
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I'm asking scans
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The body can enter blade mode which is a 2X normally and 10X during special events multiplier to raidens speed. Raiden can use blade mode on sams first encounter but since there is no special event it has to be the 2X multiplier
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Also raiden should straight up be 7-B at least in durability. That who this calc is for. Armstrong should of course scale as well
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Ok I applied the changes. Feel free to correct anything I got wrong
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I'm pretty sure him repeatedly getting wacked around would get him At most.
And it becomes weird when Sam can harm Raiden with his fists but Raiden can fight on par with Sam.
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Thank you. Ill leave the tier up for later debate but im gonna make a few adjustments to the speed sections
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The entire reason the 7-B upgrade went through is because raiden was hit by monsoon's boxcar which yeilded 7-B. Its his feat
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Yeah, while in ripper mode, and ripper mode makes Raiden stronger does it not?
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So his dura should be 7-B
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It makes him faster and stronger but NOT more durable
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It then creates a weird scaling chain though. Base Raiden is able to match Sam, and Sam can harm Raiden, but base Raiden is weaker than his Ripper mode feat?
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??? It goes like this Base Raiden = RM Raiden in Durability, Base Raiden < RM Raiden in Speed and Power. And yes the fact that Sam can hurt him barehanded means they should scale but some people are disagreeing for some reason
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And like I said. Base Raiden can harm Sam, who himself can harm Raiden's dura. Would that not make Base Raiden straight up 7-B?
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YES IM SAYING BASE RAIDEN SHOULD BE 7-B DURABILITY. ITS HIS FEAT READ THE FIRST POST OF THE THREAD BEFORE YOU MAKE CHANGES!!!!
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Raiden vs APC
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I know it's his feat, and I'm not arguing about base Raiden being 7-B in durability. I'm asking if his base attack potency should scale considering he can harm those who can harm him, despite the fact the feat comes from a stronger Raiden's AP.
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Yeah he should, But for some reason the people in this thread don't agree with that so we settled. Ill bitch about it tomorrow and get it changed
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I hope you realize that's a paradoxical circular scaling chain.
It's the same shit as trying to scale RAY to Sam and then Patriot Raiden to RAY which then makes him scale to Sam, which ends up scaling Patriot Raiden to Custom Body Raiden, and hell slap this on and you'd end up having Patriot Raiden scaling to Ripper Mode.
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Please explain how Sam Hurting Raiden who has 7-B durability with his fists does not make him 7-B attack potency
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The same way you being hurt by getting hit by a car doesnt mean you getting hurt by a punch means those two things are equal.
By that logic, Sam physically scales to Armstrong 1:1 as well because both hurt Raiden.
You do know you can be the same tier, hurt the same thing, and not be completely identical in values right?
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Yes and I'm arguing that they should not be "At Most 7-B" they should flat out be 7-B. When stuff like this happens we do not downscale characters an entire tier, Nor do we say "At Most". We scale them to the Tier the character in question is in. Not to mention this would only apply to Sam and Armstrong (And maybe Monsoon)
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Any other changes that need to happen in the profiles?
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Yeah, but Ill complain about them tommorrow
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This thread can be closed now
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Ok. Just message me if you want it reopened.
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