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HERE I AMFREEDOM IS CALLING
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PHAT Metal Gear Rising Verse Upgrades (And some slight speed downgrades)
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DIRTY AND FACELESS
WATING TO HEAD YOUR INSTRUCTION
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7-B MGR!?!?!?!?!?!?
7-B OPM????
the time has come
INVISIBLE WARRIOR
I AM A WIND OF DESTRUCTION
7-B OPM????
the time has come
ON MY OWN
INVISIBLE WARRIOR
I AM A WIND OF DESTRUCTION
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ALL MEN WHO BEND THEIR WILL
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Feed Darkshine to Armstrong
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anyways the math seems to check out for the speed, accepted calc = good
agreed
armstrong is the only fair one funny enough, so maybe I'll do armstrong vs half monster garou or something
agreed
reminder that pretty much everyone has HF blades in mgr so that dura neg is everywhere
armstrong is the only fair one funny enough, so maybe I'll do armstrong vs half monster garou or something
poor darkshine has literally no meaningul abilities and scales to a lower value, it'd be a slaughter
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Raiden boutta suplex Beefcake
this is mad derailing holy shit
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just like
contact KLOL or something idk
i would but I've already been bothering the **** outta him getting your calcs eval'd in the first place
contact KLOL or something idk
i would but I've already been bothering the **** outta him getting your calcs eval'd in the first place
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damn that reminds me, RAY is gonna be 2 whole tiers behind
my friend, there is nothing more important than acknowledging that we can do bladewolf vs watchdog man now
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1. Agree, 7-B Raiden FTW.
2. While Ripper Mode Raiden, Monsoon, and Armstrong absolutely scale to the 23.885 megaton value, shouldn't Base Raiden and those who scale to him (Sam, Blade Wolf, etc.) downscale to Baseline 7-B (6.3 megatons) since Raiden did this feat in Ripper Mode?
2. While Ripper Mode Raiden, Monsoon, and Armstrong absolutely scale to the 23.885 megaton value, shouldn't Base Raiden and those who scale to him (Sam, Blade Wolf, etc.) downscale to Baseline 7-B (6.3 megatons) since Raiden did this feat in Ripper Mode?
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Why would they be baseline?
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Because they'd downscale from Armstrong and such.
Sam and Base Raiden took hits from Armstrong but got badly overpowered.
Raiden needed Ripper Mode to fight Armstrong evenly.
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Cuts to qte of base Raiden punching phase 4 armstrong and doing damage
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Downscaling from a value doesn't make you baseline 7-B tho. They simply downscale from that value.
Plus base Raiden overpowered Armstrong at one point, tanked multiple hits from him, and we know Jetstream Sam even gained the upperhand over Armstrong. "Badly overpowered" is an exaggeration
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While it's true they should downscale, they shouldn't downscale by that much. Ripper mode is not a durability increase, only a speed and power increase. Also note that the speed and power increase is not that significant (At least power). Base Raiden was already able to somewhat put up a fight in hand to hand with Armstrong, putting ripper mode somewhere around a 2X increase (He struggled to hold back Armstrong's fist with both hands before)
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Anyway I think this is enough support. Can I go ahead and apply the changes now?
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reminder that base raiden was still able to damage armstrong via punches eventually, and was basically 99:101 with his lifting strength for the entire fight
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Wait, is Monsoon considered far above Sam?
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No, unfortunately this wiki says that Raiden used Ripper Mode during the entire final part of the Armstrong fight
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Eh, it was really more one sided than that. Army was overpowering Raiden at every twist and turn. It was clear they weren't equals until RM
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Beginning of game MGRR also needs a sub-rel+ rating with 10x blade mode btw
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Monsoons just built different. Sorry Sam bros
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Yup, Could someone contact KLOL or ANT so I can go ahead making changes?
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uh
since when?
easily
only wind of destruction to fight raiden in 100% ripper mode, and also the only one that's able to dodge blade ripper mode easily
- sam's boss fight is even easier than sundowner I'm not gonna lie
- Sam refers to monsoon as "the boss" meaning he ranks higher than him in desperado
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That's not hard
And well, this is sad. I was planing to create a match between Sam and Monsoon
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only partially related but
to speedrun sam's fight on revengeance you just do a ripper mode perfect parry and 70% of his healthbar completely disappears, and then you kill him
it's quite funny how powerful monsoon is (in-game) when you think about this
that being said, it would probably be a stomp since sam doesn't have emp grenades to counter that magnetic dodge
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Since the ******* incident.
Don't ask.
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I’m gonna start another incident then
whatever it takes
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I contacted KLOL but he didn't respond. You could try Ant tho
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Tbf he can kill you with basically one hit too
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Will do
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That's kinda debunked as soon as we see Armstrong beat the ever-living shit out of Raiden and he still is alive
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Fair.
I still think that, unless we eventually decide that Raiden wasn't Ripper Mode for the entire final round against Armstrong, he should downscale to Baseline 7-B since downscaling is when you take hits from and slightly damage someone but are still clearly inferior.
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Nah, Ripper mode does not change durability
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Then his AP still downscales.
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It wouldn't downscale to baseline
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That's the rule for downscaling unless the value is WAAAAAY above Baseline.
For example, if a character was 1 exaton and someone downscaled from him, they wouldn't downscale all the way to 4.435 petatons so instead they'd be below 1 exaton by an unknown amount.
And considering how badly Raiden got whooped by Armstrong, him being 1/4 of the Ripper Mode Value makes sense.
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I just got done proving that ripper mode is not even a 2 times increase. Jetstream Sam can harm Raiden with his physical blows, so they should not downscale
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His AP downscales, but how much is unquantifiable.
it doesn't have to be baseline, but it's also not 1:1 with the calc. So something must be done to account for this.
"At most 7-B, 7-B with Ripper Mode".
At most not because his maximum is 7-B barely, but just that his base form's AP is at most below the calc might work.
Alternatively we could do like
"7-B, 7-B in Ripper Mode", and just explain why, though that might be a tad redundant given it's 7-B twice.
Alternatively again
"7-B (Downscales blah blah), higher with Ripper Mode (Calc value)"
Though this last one could be a tad misleading as the "higher" is just 7-B, but it's also technically not wrong.
You could be absolutely ******* insane and rate Ripper Mode first, and then make use of the barely used "lower" term.
"7-B in Ripper Mode, lower in base".
But you have to figure out something, because the calc must be linked in his AP section, and it has to be explained that Ripper Mode is stronger (Guide states in RM he does "far greater damage" and "can instantly kill weaker enemies"; Gameplay wise it's about a 7x increase funnily enough, but the number isn't stated so we don't use that), while rating both.
it doesn't have to be baseline, but it's also not 1:1 with the calc. So something must be done to account for this.
"At most 7-B, 7-B with Ripper Mode".
At most not because his maximum is 7-B barely, but just that his base form's AP is at most below the calc might work.
Alternatively we could do like
"7-B, 7-B in Ripper Mode", and just explain why, though that might be a tad redundant given it's 7-B twice.
Alternatively again
"7-B (Downscales blah blah), higher with Ripper Mode (Calc value)"
Though this last one could be a tad misleading as the "higher" is just 7-B, but it's also technically not wrong.
You could be absolutely ******* insane and rate Ripper Mode first, and then make use of the barely used "lower" term.
"7-B in Ripper Mode, lower in base".
But you have to figure out something, because the calc must be linked in his AP section, and it has to be explained that Ripper Mode is stronger (Guide states in RM he does "far greater damage" and "can instantly kill weaker enemies"; Gameplay wise it's about a 7x increase funnily enough, but the number isn't stated so we don't use that), while rating both.
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