Overlord's immortality type 5

[Overlord_Darkness]

of immo type 5?

You can read all of the above. If you need some specific scans from the show, then name the moments that are needed (For example, his use of Balance to restore physical form in Season 2, etc.)

 

[ImmortalDread]

I need all scans, ya. This is one of the rules of creating a CRT. Link them

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

I need all scans, ya. This is one of the rules of creating a CRT. Link them

I will arrange all the scans in the order in which they appeared in the show.
1) Season 2 - returning to the mortal plane of existence with the help of Balance


2) Season 3 - his spirit destruction upon using Golden Power by Zane (He absorbed it, which caused an explosion of Golden Power)


3) Season 15 - Wu mentions the Overlord's immortality and that anger, hatred and conflicts allow him to restore physical forms as they accumulate.


If you need something else from what I mentioned above, but did not specify here - tell me.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Oh, right. Here's another scan that the Balance was destroyed in season 15.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Oh, right. Here's another scan that the Balance was destroyed in season 15.

It also confirms that the existing Balance keeps him from invading the physical world.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

If briefly describe what is said in the scans above, then
1) The destruction of his spirit on the plane of mortal existence returns Balance to the Realm, which keeps the Overlord from returning quickly.
2) After its destruction in the physical world, the Overlord's spirit exists beyond the mortal plane of existence and awaits.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

From the knowledgeable members list for Immortality: @Phoenks @Elizhaa @Damage3245 @Everything12 @TheUnshakableOne @Deceived3596

Thoughts? From what info has been provided, I don't think this qualifies for type 5.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Another scan talking about his immortality without reference to the Balance (all this leads to the conclusion that it needs to remove Type 8 and replace it with Type 5)

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

And probably the most important thing. The very fact that he exists beyond the mortal plane of existence speaks to the fact that the Overlord is beyond such things as life and death.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I don't see any of those scans suffice immo type 5 rating.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

I don't see any of those scans suffice immo type 5 rating.

Why do you think so?

 

[ImmortalDread]

because all the scans don't mention any sufficient source for immo type 5

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

because all the scans don't mention any sufficient source for immo type 5

These scans do not say this directly, but if you put all the facts together, then a fairly convincing basis for Immo Type 5 comes out.

 

[KingNanaya]

has anything new come up? any new staff input?

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

has anything new come up? any new staff input?

Everything is above. Still waiting for new guys to evaluate.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

BUMP

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

another good argument in favor of the fact that the Overlord has Type 5 is that even to compare with FSM (which, in fact, is not Immo Type 7, since he only left the mortal shell and not actually dead, which differs from the Type 7 souls in the Departed Realm who is truly dead beings), the Overlord is considered the only character who is truly immortal in all series

(video on the official LEGO YouTube channel)

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

bump

 

[ImmortalDread]

It literally says "immortal", I don't get how you connect points

 

[Robo432343]

overlords profile really needs a fix up
there are barely any scans in his profile

 

[Robo432343]

anyway i found this
overlord will always exist as long as there is evil

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

It literally says "immortal", I don't get how you connect points

The bottom line is that FSM is also considered the second immortal character in the series, because despite the actual death of his body, he is still alive. At the same time, the Overlord is immortal even relative to the FSM

overlords profile really needs a fix up
there are barely any scans in his profile

To be honest, I can, of course, insert scans in the form of links to moments from the show posted on YouTube and text, but I'm not sure that inserting clippings from reactions to episodes is acceptable.

 

[Robo432343]

anyway i found this
overlord will always exist as long as there is evil

i think this should do

 

[ImmortalDread]

I understand the argument for immortality type 8 robo(I'm even in agreement with it), but I find it difficult to comprehend the argument for immortality type 5 because it is presented in a convoluted manner. The user presents a multitude of claims, while the screenshot suggests the need for simplicity and clarity.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

anyway i found this
overlord will always exist as long as there is evil

Of course, this is true, but as the scans directly from the show (the last of which date back to 2023) claims that evil and darkness, as part of the Balance, allow the Overlord to manifest himself in the world by creating shells.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

I understand the argument for immortality type 8 robo(I'm even in agreement with it), but I find it difficult to comprehend the argument for immortality type 5 because it is presented in a convoluted manner. The user presents a multitude of claims, while the screenshot suggests the need for simplicity and clarity.

First of all, I think it is necessary to edit Type 8 so that it affects the return to the physical world, and not the Overlord itself as a concept. As for Type 5, I will now try to explain my point of view as simply and clearly as possible. So, let's go. Since Type 8 affects only physical manifestations, and the Overlord itself as a concept exists outside the mortal plane of existence, it thus surpasses the concept of death and life, which relate to people and beings in the 17 Realms

 

[ImmortalDread]

and the "mortal plane of existence, it thus surpasses the concept of death and life" claim is your own assumption from that?

 

[Robo432343]

ohhh he exist outside the mortal plane of existence which has life and death in it

hmmm

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

and the "mortal plane of existence, it thus surpasses the concept of death and life" claim is your own assumption from that?

Actually no. The Overlord was shown as an entity superior to humans and things in 17 Realms in its existence as such

 

[ImmortalDread]

But why would existence include the assumption from death and life cycle?

 

[Robo432343]

But why would existence include the assumption from death and life cycle?

why wouldn't it??? people live and die in ninjago verse

 

[ImmortalDread]

ohhh he exist outside the mortal plane of existence which has life and death in it

hmmm

Each plane of existence has its own causality system or follow the regular one. Transcending it or being superior does not mean he simply surpasses the specific natural law or the cycle.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

But why would existence include the assumption from death and life cycle?

Because life and death is natural things for any living being that exists in 17 realms. However, Overlord considers all of them merely as "myopic mortals" and nothing more.

 

[Robo432343]

Each plane of existence has its own causality system or follow the regular one. Transcending it or being superior does not mean he simply surpasses the specific natural law or the cycle.

no one is talking about causality stuff

you don't need to be above the law of life and death to get immo 5

you can exist outside of it and get immo 5

 

[ImmortalDread]

Because life and death is natural things for any living being that exists in 17 realms. However, Overlord considers all of them merely as "myopic mortals" and nothing more.

Now I am interested to see the evidence for that, because this is an extraordinary assumption.

 

[ImmortalDread]

no one is talking about causality stuff

Life follows death, so it is part of the causality system.

you don't need to be above the law of life and death to get immo 5

I am not even talking about this.

you can exist outside of it and get immo 5

Not my entire argument.

My point is, why would being outside or superior to the existence of plane includes "life and death" specifically, because with his logic/conclusion, it would conclude fate, probability, and every “natural” setting.

 

[Robo432343]

My point is, why would being outside or superior to the existence of plane includes "life and death" specifically, because with his logic/conclusion, it would conclude fate, probability, and every “natural” setting.

ok fair point

this might be falling under nlf territory

 

[ImmortalDread]

ok fair point

this might be falling under nlf territory

This was my whole entire point, thanks for understanding.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Because life and death is natural things for any living being that exists in 17 realms. However, Overlord considers all of them merely as "myopic mortals" and nothing more.

Also, I hope you clarify “all” in this claim.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Now I am interested to see the evidence for that, because this is an extraordinary assumption.

Ok, no problem. The good example for that his words to Garmadon who is Oni\Dragon hybrid. In Ninjago verse, Oni and Dragons are primordial beings that existed in the First Realm before even Departed Realm. And here it is