One-Punch Man: Saitama's normal punch

[Shadow_x007x]

At present, we have come to agree from this thread that Saitama's regular first punch, intended to kill the opponent, always has the same level of force. However, I have noticed an inconsistency in this reasoning. Let’s take a closer look.

This is Saitama's normal punch delivered to Beefcake.

This is Saitama's normal punch delivered to Carnage Kabuto.

Carnage Kabuto has been confirmed to possess physical abilities far superior to other monsters (at the very least, exceeding those of Beefcake, who appeared earlier).
We can clearly see that the physical impact on both Carnage Kabuto and Beefcake after being struck by Saitama's punch is vastly different. Despite Carnage Kabuto possessing greater physical abilities than Beefcake, his body shattered instantly upon impact, whereas Beefcake's body remained intact.

Potential counterargument:

• Q: "Both of them died, so the result is the same."
• A: Boros was ranked above Orochi due to surviving Saitama's first punch. Orochi also survived the first punch, but their physical states afterward were notably different. Therefore, the evaluation must focus on their physical condition after surviving Saitama's first punch.

We also have additional supporting evidence:
Mosquito Girl’s survival after being swatted by Saitama. Earlier, we clearly saw Saitama becoming visibly frustrated in his attempts to kill the mosquito, yet he failed. (Of course, you could interpret this as a comedic scene, but it was clear that Saitama was genuinely trying to kill the mosquito.) After Saitama swatted Mosquito Girl directly, he seemed relieved and commented on how much he hated mosquitoes.

If we follow the logic established in previous threads, Mosquito Girl would inevitably be scaled to the power of Saitama’s normal punch. (After all, when a mosquito bites you, you try to kill it rather than just blow it away.) Furthermore, Carnage Kabuto is undoubtedly superior to Mosquito Girl based on the rankings by the House of Evolution, yet Carnage Kabuto was defeated by Saitama in a single punch. This inconsistency highlights that Saitama’s punches must vary depending on his intent, emotions, or other factors at the time.

This proves that Saitama’s punches are not a reliable baseline for scaling other characters because we cannot determine how much strength he is using in any given moment.

Boros's Revised Scaling:

• Key 1: Remains the same.
• Key 2: Scale Boros based on the durability of his ship, as Boros was able to construct his room, which is the strongest part of the ship.
• Key 3: Scale Boros physically above Key 2, and his Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon scales to 646.57085 petatons of TNT as the minimum possible energy required to destroy a planet's surface. Furthermore, his durability should scale to the Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon since this move utilizes all of his energy to fire, meaning his body, which can withstand the energy output, should have an equivalent level of durability.

 

[Damage3245]

I definitely don't agree with relying on Saitama's punches as a baseline for scaling characters, so I'd be in favor of removing it.

Furthermore, his durability should scale to the Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon since this move utilizes all of his energy to fire, meaning his body, which can withstand the energy output, should have an equivalent level of durability.

I don't agree with this reasoning though. Releasing an energy beam isn't the same thing as withstanding the energy output.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I agree.

Effort scaling also isn't usable, btw. Saitama gets passively stronger every moment, and in the actual arc we've seen Saitama casually catching an attack from Empty Void (Empty Void (absorbed Garou's cosmic energy and is considered a bigger threat)>=Present Timeline Cosmic Garou>=Consecutive Normal Punches=Scratch Saitama) with 2 fingers. Meaning Saitama does, indeed, grow strong enough to casually deflect things that previously took him more effort (which goes even more against the punch scaling logic)

I'd like to suggest adding (as there was long ago before all "expression scaling" got added to Boros, iirc) a note explaining why scaling to Saitama's punches is inconsistent.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I don't agree with this reasoning though. Releasing an energy beam isn't the same thing as withstanding the energy output.

His body can store that level of energy, so why shouldn't he have that level of durability?

 

[MrTayman616]

Mosquito Girl’s survival after being swatted by Saitama. Earlier, we clearly saw Saitama becoming visibly frustrated in his attempts to kill the mosquito, yet he failed. (Of course, you could interpret this as a comedic scene, but it was clear that Saitama was genuinely trying to kill the mosquito.) After Saitama swatted Mosquito Girl directly, he seemed relieved and commented on how much he hated mosquitoes.

It was stated that she was offed. she's seemingly rebuilt with her remainings, it's kinda different (also webcomic spoilers, even carnage kabuto is revived :d). Mosquito is a gag scene.

But It is true that not all normal punches are the same. Saitama is seemingly goes for enough force to win rather than always the exact same force.

There are statements that Saitama already fought with monsters/monster groups that are on the level of monster association scale, which should include Orochi as well. yet he thought Boros was the strongest(probably) he ever faced, which databook refers it to be the strongest battle as well.

So i think he should still scale to Orochi.

For CSRC, might be wrong but i remember new bonus chapter showing aliens with lasers strong enough to destroy the planet. Boros is seemingly well known among alien races, at the very least, He should be superior to it at his best. I think CSRC could be scaled to that. (if i remember it wrong, nevermind :d)

 

[Nierre]

Yeah, I never understood why we relied on Saitama's punches for scaling like that. I don't read the manga, but every thread I've been involved in that's mentioned something like that always confused me. So I agree with removing it FRA. Definitely don't agree with Boros physically scaling to CSRC.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

There are statements that Saitama already fought with monsters/monster groups that are on the level of monster association scale, which should include Orochi as well. yet he thought Boros was the strongest(probably) he ever faced, which databook refers it to be the strongest battle as well.

Context is important.

That was talking about the cadres the S class was fighting against, which does not include Orochi, but HE, Gums, FU and BS

 

[Recon1511]

Mosquito Girl didn't die actually, her body survived the slap and only her blood sack and limbs were destroyed

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Though there are statements that Saitama already fought with monsters/monster groups that are on the level of monster association scale, which should include Orochi as well. yet he thought Boros was the strongest(probably) he ever faced, which databook refers it to be the strongest battle as well.

So i think he should still scale to Orochi

The topic might be interesting if Saitama had ever fought a character of the same level as Orochi before, but this is something we don't know because there hasn't been any official mention of whether a monster of Orochi's level existed before. However, it remains an intriguing point.

And if that's the case, we might get to see that Saitama, during his training, was stronger than Orochi.

 

[Recon1511]

Mosquito Girl didn't die actually, her body survived the slap and only her blood sack and limbs were destroyed

 

[MrTayman616]

oh, It's her tail that explodes which manga shows it's missing at chapter (189)?, good detail :d

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Context is important.

That was talking about the cadres the S class was fighting against, which does not include Orochi, but HE, Gums, FU and BS

It seems that way, but this also makes Saitama key During Training 6-B, possibly High 6-A instead of 7-A, possibly High 6-A. It seems like people forgot to upgrade him in the previous thread.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

It seems that way, but this also makes Saitama key During Training 6-B, possibly High 6-A instead of 7-A, possibly High 6-A. It seems like people forgot to upgrade him in the previous thread.

Yeah, it should

Not High 6-A. Training Saitama scaling to Tatsumaki should go, but that's for another CRT

 

[EnderLord8]

I see, another day and another Boros Downgrade... Well let's start the debate then...

First:
Argument 1: "Carnage Kabuto has been confirmed to possess physical abilities far superior to other monsters (at the very least, exceeding those of Beefcake, who appeared earlier). We can clearly see that the physical impact on both Carnage Kabuto and Beefcake after being struck by Saitama's punch is vastly different. Despite Carnage Kabuto possessing greater physical abilities than Beefcake, his body shattered instantly upon impact, whereas Beefcake's body remained intact."

Well, The "why" Beefcake wasn't obliterated by the first punch is simply because he's much bigger, having much more area for the damage to disperse, while in comparison to BorosxOrochi, the former is much smaller than the latter, with a casual punch from Saitama opening a huge hole in his body, while Boros himself suffered much less damage.


Second:
Argument 2: "Mosquito Girl’s survival after being swatted by Saitama. Earlier, we clearly saw Saitama becoming visibly frustrated in his attempts to kill the mosquito, yet he failed. (Of course, you could interpret this as a comedic scene, but it was clear that Saitama was genuinely trying to kill the mosquito.) After Saitama swatted Mosquito Girl directly, he seemed relieved and commented on how much he hated mosquitoes."

Well that's not really applicable, because Murata simply brought her back because of his "Horny Energy", he did this with a significant amount of female monsters, her surviving was not a feat of durability, but rather a convenience that Murata himself arranged it... Basically he just wants to draw beautiful women on the cover and he has already shown more than being willing to redesign and rewrite aspects of the work, we shouldn't consider that


Third:
As for changing the CRSC calculation, in the worst case it would revert to the previously used calculation of 14 Exatons and not the surface explosion calculation of 600 Petatons


and finally... Fourth:
It's still too early for us to use Void as a reason to argue something, at the very least we should wait until his fight is over or he himself has a profile, in addition to going back to the chapter in which he absorbs Garou's power, as can be seen in the way his cosmic form is different from the current form in which he fights Blast, so as far as we know the form that actually scales to Garou could be an even more powerful form of him... Or it could be a retcon of Murata... Either way , the point is: Use it as an argument for anything it's still a bit early.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

First:
Argument 1: "Carnage Kabuto has been confirmed to possess physical abilities far superior to other monsters (at the very least, exceeding those of Beefcake, who appeared earlier). We can clearly see that the physical impact on both Carnage Kabuto and Beefcake after being struck by Saitama's punch is vastly different. Despite Carnage Kabuto possessing greater physical abilities than Beefcake, his body shattered instantly upon impact, whereas Beefcake's body remained intact."

Well, The "why" Beefcake wasn't obliterated by the first punch is simply because he's much bigger, having much more area for the damage to disperse, while in comparison to BorosxOrochi, the former is much smaller than the latter, with a casual punch from Saitama opening a huge hole in his body, while Boros himself suffered much less damage.

The distribution of force may have an effect, as larger objects tend to spread the force over a wider area.

Second:
Argument 2: "Mosquito Girl’s survival after being swatted by Saitama. Earlier, we clearly saw Saitama becoming visibly frustrated in his attempts to kill the mosquito, yet he failed. (Of course, you could interpret this as a comedic scene, but it was clear that Saitama was genuinely trying to kill the mosquito.) After Saitama swatted Mosquito Girl directly, he seemed relieved and commented on how much he hated mosquitoes."

Well that's not really applicable, because Murata simply brought her back because of his "Horny Energy", he did this with a significant amount of female monsters, her surviving was not a feat of durability, but rather a convenience that Murata himself arranged it... Basically he just wants to draw beautiful women on the cover and he has already shown more than being willing to redesign and rewrite aspects of the work, we shouldn't consider that

There is absolutely nothing related to Horny Energy as you mentioned, nor does it have anything to do with Murata wanting to bring her back. If you look closely at the panel where Saitama slaps Mosquito Girl, you can clearly see that her body remains intact and isn't significantly damaged. You can still see her body floating in that panel.

Third:
As for changing the CRSC calculation, in the worst case it would revert to the previously used calculation of 14 Exatons and not the surface explosion calculation of 600 Petatons

This is absolutely unnecessary. Boros has never demonstrated this feat concretely. All of the calculations are merely assumptions about how his attack might work, and all of it is speculative. Without clear confirmation, we should use the lower values for safety and accuracy.

and finally... Fourth:
It's still too early for us to use Void as a reason to argue something, at the very least we should wait until his fight is over or he himself has a profile, in addition to going back to the chapter in which he absorbs Garou's power, as can be seen in the way his cosmic form is different from the current form in which he fights Blast, so as far as we know the form that actually scales to Garou could be an even more powerful form of him... Or it could be a retcon of Murata... Either way , the point is: Use it as an argument for anything it's still a bit early.

I haven’t mentioned Void in this thread at all, even though some people have brought him up. However, I will definitely talk about Void once the arc concludes, if this thread continues the discussion until then.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I see, another day and another Boros Downgrade... Well let's start the debate then...

First:

Well, The "why" Beefcake wasn't obliterated by the first punch is simply because he's much bigger, having much more area for the damage to disperse, while in comparison to BorosxOrochi, the former is much smaller than the latter, with a casual punch from Saitama opening a huge hole in his body, while Boros himself suffered much less damage.

The head takes ~13% of one's body height. That being 35.1m in the case of Beefcake.

Meanwhile, Orochi's height is 27m.

The punch to Beefcake only affected his face, his body is seen with no damage.

Therefore, you are saying that the same punch with the very same strength could entirely destroy the body of a being thousands of times stronger than what it caused to another being just because of a difference of 7 meters… sorry but it doesn't work.

Second:

Well that's not really applicable, because Murata simply brought her back because of his "Horny Energy", he did this with a significant amount of female monsters, her surviving was not a feat of durability, but rather a convenience that Murata himself arranged it... Basically he just wants to draw beautiful women on the cover and he has already shown more than being willing to redesign and rewrite aspects of the work, we shouldn't consider that

I don't think "it is Horny energy" is an argument to discredit an anti-feat.

Third:
As for changing the CRSC calculation, in the worst case it would revert to the previously used calculation of 14 Exatons and not the surface explosion calculation of 600 Petatons

Pretty sure there was a thread in which was agreed that CRSC is incalculable and should just be "far higher"?

so as far as we know the form that actually scales to Garou could be an even more powerful form of him...

Two fingers>Empty Void>Blast (Could damage Garou)~Pre-Serious Punch Garou>=Consecutive Normal Punches>Normal Punch

Or it could be a retcon of Murata...

Saying "retcon" to anything that disproves your point isn't valid either

Either way , the point is: Use it as an argument for anything it's still a bit early.

Not when the scaling is as straightforward as it is.

But if you want to prolong Boros scaling a little bit longer, then ok I guess.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I agree with the premise of not using Saitama's Normal Punches for scaling, though I disagree with scaling Boros' physicals to the CSRC.

 

[EnderLord8]

There is absolutely nothing related to Horny Energy as you mentioned, nor does it have anything to do with Murata wanting to bring her back. If you look closely at the panel where Saitama slaps Mosquito Girl, you can clearly see that her body remains intact and isn't significantly damaged. You can still see her body floating in that panel.

Even considering this interpretation, it must also be considered that as it was thrown far away, the energy of the impact was also greatly dispersed, for example go to the page of references to common calculations, in the part where the characters end up being run over by a vehicle, there are two methods to find the character's durability, method A, in which the character is hit by the vehicle and goes flying as explained in the blog explanation: "These calculations are about the durability a character needs to have in order to tank getting hit by various vehicles. between getting hit and sent flying and getting hit and remaining in place, like when they are getting slammed into a solid wall."

If you need more details, you can ask, but I think if you watch the blog you will understand

I haven’t mentioned Void in this thread at all, even though some people have brought him up. However, I will definitely talk about Void once the arc concludes, if this thread continues the discussion until then.

Well, I brought this more in reference to the arguments that others brought

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Are you… really implying a 7-C character can survive an attack capable of one shotting a High 6-A being just because she was sent flying instead of remaining still?

If that much energy got dissipated as speed, she'd have ended, at the very least, outside of the planet

 

[EnderLord8]

The head takes ~13% of one's body height. That being 35.1m in the case of Beefcake.

Meanwhile, Orochi's height is 27m.

The punch to Beefcake only affected his face, his body is seen with no damage.

Therefore, you are saying that the same punch with the very same strength could entirely destroy the body of a being thousands of times stronger than what it caused to another being just because of a difference of 7 meters… sorry but it doesn't work.

Well, analyzing the manga panels, the blow also pushed him back, effectively, causing the energy of the attack to be even more distributed than that.

Pretty sure there was a thread in which was agreed that CRSC is incalculable and should just be "far higher"?

Oh, I had forgotten about that... Hmm, worse than that I was the one who argued to remove any calculations

Two fingers>Empty Void>Blast (Could damage Garou)~Pre-Serious Punch Garou>=Consecutive Normal Punches>Normal Punch

Sorry, but I don't remember Blast hurting Garou, I'll look into that later.

Not when the scaling is as straightforward as it is.

But if you want to prolong Boros scaling a little bit longer, then ok I guess.

Well, it would be a headache if this was used as an argument to approve the thread, only to later find out that this was incorrect... Not to mention that it is possible that any massive increase in Saitama's strength is due to the fusion between the version of IO with the current version of Saitama, so yes, this can wait until at least the end of the fight against Void.

 

[EnderLord8]

Are you… really implying a 7-C character can survive an attack capable of one shotting a High 6-A being just because she was sent flying instead of remaining still?

If that much energy got dissipated as speed, she'd have ended, at the very least, outside of the planet

Well, it's not like we can see what happened to her after the blow, but we can conclude that a considerable part of the attack's energy was dissipated.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Well, analyzing the manga panels, the blow also pushed him back, effectively, causing the energy of the attack to be even more distributed than that.

the energy of the attack pushed his head back, and his body went alongisde it.

If what you were arguing was right, then every character who was punched by Saitama should go to the stratosphere by his punches alone with the amount energy that you asume got dissipated.

You are saying that enough energy got dissipated for beings in the order of 10^14 or 10^17 joules to survive a punch in the order of 10^26 joules or above.

You're seriously implying that more than a billion joules dissipated in the form of less than 11.2 km/s (escape velocity of Earth).

Yeah, no, it doesn't work. Saitama's One Punch Man, not one dissipation Man.

 

[MrTayman616]

Well, it's not like we can see what happened to her after the blow, but we can conclude that a considerable part of the attack's energy was dissipated.

let's say it was %99,99 of the energy yet it would still be a one shot value.

Saitama is obviously using enough force to strike when it comes to normal punches, but seemingly there is a limit to this value. It can be argued that Boros is above this level, because Saitama is clearly not holding back (I mean he does like always, just not like "I wont kill you" style), using multiple normal punches as well. There is also the fact that Saitama calls Boros strong many times, even the strongest he faced. yet only thing he says to Orochi is... Saitama can compare the strength of those he watches. can see people's growth etc etc.

I think he still should scale to Orochi.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Problem is, by that logic, Boros should scale above Cosmic Garou, who clashed normal punches with Saitama, while that pulverized Boros.

Or Rover's durability would scale above Monster Garou (remember Gyoro Gyoro is accepted above Rover)

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'm surprised casual punch from Saitama was ever accepted to always have the same power. It doesn't really make sense for Saitama to always use the same amount of power and no feats support so.

We specifically see Garou tank dozens of casual punches just to still end up getting one shotted by a slightly stronger normal punch. And while he wasn't trying to kill Garou, it is still undeniable evidence that Saitama can control how much power he puts into attacks. And Saitama literally does NOT want to one shot his opponents, he usually does it by accident. That's a core aspect of the early series. So saying him going for the kill or not is somehow relevant here contradicts the entire concept behind Saitamas struggle with boredom.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Yeah I agree, I have always found it iffy when scaling people to Saitama.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I agree with not scaling to Saitama's Normal Punches (I genuinely don't know how they was accepted in the first place), but I don't agree with Boris's Punches scaling to the Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon.

 

[Engine]

I agree to not scale anything from Saitama's normal punches as it varies from his intent.

I disagree with Boros def scaling to his CSRC because it's just a potential energy to kinetic energy. You're making it the same as Orochi,in Orochi's case it's different because he already absorbing a pre-existing KE that holds planet together and compressed it to his own body that's why he scaled to it.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

Even considering this interpretation, it must also be considered that as it was thrown far away, the energy of the impact was also greatly dispersed, for example go to the page of references to common calculations, in the part where the characters end up being run over by a vehicle, there are two methods to find the character's durability, method A, in which the character is hit by the vehicle and goes flying as explained in the blog explanation: "These calculations are about the durability a character needs to have in order to tank getting hit by various vehicles. between getting hit and sent flying and getting hit and remaining in place, like when they are getting slammed into a solid wall."

If you need more details, you can ask, but I think if you watch the blog you will understand

It’s unlikely to be the case. After being slapped, she was flung into the building first before soaring into the sky. The energy from Saitama's slap was transferred to her, and she collided with the building over a relatively short distance. This meant she had to endure nearly the full force of Saitama's slap.

 

[Shadow_x007x]

I agree with the premise of not using Saitama's Normal Punches for scaling, though I disagree with scaling Boros' physicals to the CSRC.

I adjusted its scale only in terms of durability, but it seems most people agree that it's incorrect. So, I'll remove that part.

 

[EnderLord8]

the energy of the attack pushed his head back, and his body went alongisde it.

If what you were arguing was right, then every character who was punched by Saitama should go to the stratosphere by his punches alone with the amount energy that you asume got dissipated.

I mean it wasn't even a punch she received, but rather a slap

You are saying that enough energy got dissipated for beings in the order of 10^14 or 10^17 joules to survive a punch in the order of 10^26 joules or above.

You're seriously implying that more than a billion joules dissipated in the form of less than 11.2 km/s (escape velocity of Earth).

Well, although it takes years for the energy to be dissipated using a speed below the escape velocity, there would still be a collision with unforeseen objects that would help the energy dissipation, in addition to the fact that there is the possibility of external interference, such as Doctor Genus who appears to have not recovered her for a considerable amount of time.

Is it really necessary to be so strict about the speed limit anyway? The Scene was a bit of a gag you know, she could have simply flown at 0.9c and circled the planet several times, it's not like Murata or One kept a speed limit in mind for this type of scene.

 

[EnderLord8]

Problem is, by that logic, Boros should scale above Cosmic Garou, who clashed normal punches with Saitama, while that pulverized Boros.

Or Rover's durability would scale above Monster Garou (remember Gyoro Gyoro is accepted above Rover)

In fact, both are very easy to explain, even having a justification in the original topic.

1-It is Saitama's initial punch that has a limit of 5.68 Exatons, with him progressively increasing the strength and at that point Saitama had already thrown some previous punches at Garou

and

2-Rover did not receive a one-shot because Saitama had no intention of killing him and had only gone downstairs to complain about the noise.

 

[EnderLord8]

I'm surprised casual punch from Saitama was ever accepted to always have the same power. It doesn't really make sense for Saitama to always use the same amount of power and no feats support so.

We specifically see Garou tank dozens of casual punches just to still end up getting one shotted by a slightly stronger normal punch. And while he wasn't trying to kill Garou, it is still undeniable evidence that Saitama can control how much power he puts into attacks. And Saitama literally does NOT want to one shot his opponents, he usually does it by accident. That's a core aspect of the early series. So saying him going for the kill or not is somehow relevant here contradicts the entire concept behind Saitamas struggle with boredom.

But as it was explained in the original thread, it's only the first punch that scales to 5.68 Exatons, the punches after that Saitama increases the power of the attacks

 

[EnderLord8]

It’s unlikely to be the case. After being slapped, she was flung into the building first before soaring into the sky. The energy from Saitama's slap was transferred to her, and she collided with the building over a relatively short distance. This meant she had to endure nearly the full force of Saitama's slap.

In fact, the building itself has a much lower durability than her durability, like the equivalent of you being sent flying by a car and then hitting a styrofoam wall, only weaker.

 

[DavidTPPM]

But as it was explained in the original thread, it's only the first punch that scales to 5.68 Exatons, the punches after that Saitama increases the power of the attacks

So this

As well as this

Are also 5.68 Exatons and basically the entire A and bottom S class as well as all dragon level monsters are upscaled to H6-A and above Carnage Kabuto?

I think the manga makes it painfully clear that nobody until cosmic Garou can be scaled off of Saitama because even when he's holding back he's an unquantifiable amount above his opponents

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I mean it wasn't even a punch she received, but rather a slap

So did Orochi's head, and they were pulverized.

Well, although it takes years for the energy to be dissipated using a speed below the escape velocity, there would still be a collision with unforeseen objects that would help the energy dissipation, in addition to the fact that there is the possibility of external interference, such as Doctor Genus who appears to have not recovered her for a considerable amount of time.

Yeah, and said collisions would make Mosquito Girl scale to the attack.

Anyway, this is meaningless. As pointed out by the others, Mosquito Girl hit a wall before going out, so your example of "being hit by a car without hitting a wall" doesn't work

Is it really necessary to be so strict about the speed limit anyway?

Of course, you're applying physics to support your argument, and said application doesn't work, therefore, your argument is wrong. You can't nitpick what to use to support you and throw everything that doesn't

The Scene was a bit of a gag you know, she could have simply flown at 0.9c and circled the planet several times, it's not like Murata or One kept a speed limit in mind for this type of scene.

"It is a gag and anything could have happened" is not an argument.

In fact, both are very easy to explain, even having a justification in the original topic.

1-It is Saitama's initial punch that has a limit of 5.68 Exatons, with him progressively increasing the strength and at that point Saitama had already thrown some previous punches at Garou

False. Otherwise, please explain how Mosquito Girl survived.

2-Rover did not receive a one-shot because Saitama had no intention of killing him and had only gone downstairs to complain about the noise.

Proof? In Boros downgrade threads the most unexpected arguments appear.

Not only energy dispersal capable of dispersing trillions of joules as speed, said speed being less than escape velocity, but people being capable of 100% accurately deducing Saitama's character.

Saitama went to complain about the noise when he punched Rover, yeah. And so was with Orochi at their first interaction yet he completely destroyed Orochi's dragon heads

Later, he also was complaining about Orochi not letting him enjoy the bath when he one shotted Orochi.