One-Punch Man: Revision of the Gods

[Qawsedf234]

ignore the manga or you just having bad reading comprehension

Or are just reading a different translation

 

[Kachon123]

Or are just reading a different translation

"Or noticed his growth." My point remains the same.

 

[Qawsedf234]

My point remains the same.

Good point

 

[ImmortalDread]

"Or noticed his growth." My point remains the same.

Agree FRA

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The whole growth / multiplier thing is going nowhere here, just apply what has been uncontroversially accepted.

 

[Kachon123]

The whole growth / multiplier thing is going nowhere here, just apply what has been uncontroversially accepted.

No one is looking for a multiplier AFAIK. Removing the VGS Audiobook thing is obvious, but removing Saitama daily/in battle growth is dumb.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I've unlocked Saitama, Garou and Blast (who probably doesn't need to be locked tbh)

I'll apply the change to Genos.

 

[Tural2004]

And I still think Saitama should also get the abilities from MCGSF's base components. Energy projection at the very least since he generated lightning. Limited sense manipulation from Serious Table Flip"

Bumping this

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I can maybe see using the graph. But the doubling in strength thing should 100% not be used.

Hard agree, the strength growth is intentionally supposed to be minuscule due to him not fighting powerful enough enemies
I’m still defending the graph but I think that the passive AD is fake (and wouldn’t even really be combat applicable) especially since Saitama had doubted that he could get any stronger in spite of retaining the AD he has

No one is looking for a multiplier AFAIK. Removing the VGS Audiobook thing is obvious, but removing Saitama daily/in battle growth is dumb.

Uh yeah I think I should clarify that I’m not really seeking a multiplier for AD in vs matches, I’m just proposing that Saitama’s future self key should be 58 times stronger (going by the scaling qawsed posted) and therefore be 3-C

 

[Qawsedf234]

Well I was going to edit Genos but I couldn't get his Radiation Resistance reference to clear the tabbers so I'll leave that to someone else.

 

[NJZanDatsu]

Obviously agree.

 

[Tural2004]

I have a question. Do we treat Garou's ability to copy power level as a technique or an additional ability?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I have a question. Do we treat Garou's ability to copy power level as a technique or an additional ability?

Wdym

 

[Cryo123]

Genos was able to tag CFM Garou pre copying serious Saitama. Genos and everyone else downscale from the FTL value of PS and FF.

On a serious note,when Garou copies someone, that becomes his baseline.

For example, when he copies Saitama's strength on Io, and then starts using his martial arts (while not in mode Saitama), he's able to block/redirect one of Saitama's punches. He clearly scales to the 4A at that point in the story. So it should be a separate key that goes something like At least Multi-Solar System Level, higher with AD and copying.

Also, Garou should have a note on his profile that if his opponent's AD is far higher than his, it can outpace his copying and AD.

The whole growth / multiplier thing is going nowhere here,

Unless it's a logorithmic graph, (which would make the mulitplier higher), I don't see why the multiplier wouldn't be accepted.

 

[Qawsedf234]

an additional ability?

Its a technique he gained after God gave him powers/cosmic awareness

I'll do a calc blog on the multiplier.

 

[Tural2004]

Wdym

I mean, does he achieve someone's power level through sheer skill or does he magically obtains the same power level?

 

[Tural2004]

Its a technique he gained after God gave him powers/cosmic awareness

Well, then correct me if I am wrong but doesn't that mean Saitama can instantly catch up to a 3-A opponent even without AD? He has a better power mimicry than Garou and the limiter stuff would nullify the NLF argument.

 

[Qawsedf234]

sheer skill or does he magically obtains the same power level?

Technically the former but really the latter.

Saitama can instantly catch up to a 3-A opponent even without AD?

Could be a NLF. Garou couldn't keep up with Saitama despite copying him. Someone being to strong might break him.

Like I doubt Garou could copy God for example

 

[Qawsedf234]

Okay I have made the graph calc.

If its approved of we can link it in Garou's higher section and probably just make Saitama 3-C.

 

[Andytrenom]

Seems I was late to this

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Seems I was late to this

What was your first clue?

 

[Megaraptor149]

How long this debate will have ended

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Okay I have made the graph calc.

If its approved of we can link it in Garou's higher section and probably just make Saitama 3-C.

Awesome
Although Garou would have copied Saitama moments after he reached 3-C as well, so future Garou’s peak would be at 3-C as well

 

[Qawsedf234]

Although Garou would have copied Saitama moments after he reached 3-C as well

I mean, right after a sneeze would have killed him and he basically got one tapped so there's a chance he didn't.

Though again a 1.03x strength increase to 3-C wouldn't be wild.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I mean, right after a sneeze would have killed him and he basically got one tapped so there's a chance he didn't.

Though again a 1.03x strength increase to 3-C wouldn't be wild.

I’d say he upscales due to his own AD

 

[Qawsedf234]

So maybe something like

Multi-Solar System level with Power Mimicry (Copied and evenly matched Saitama's Serious Punch, generating an explosion that annihilated millions of stars[3]), Galaxy level via Reactive Evolution (Grew exponentially in power while mimicking Saitama[4])

Galaxy Level (Provided half of the strength contained in Serious Punch2, which annihilated millions of stars and then grew at least 58 times stronger. Drew blood from Awakened Garou[3], who believed the only way to defeat him was to copy his "limitless" power[2][3]. Even if he had held back, there was no parallel reality where Garou could defeat him[5]), higher via Accelerated Development (Exploded in power while fighting with Awakened Garou: Mode Saitama, surpassing and eventually stopping him, vastly outpacing his reactive evolution and power mimicry in the process[4]. After defeating Garou, he sent his fist back in time and one-shot[4] him before the fight even began. Saitama passively grows in strength and can one-shot himself from the previous day[6] effortlessly)

 

[RandomGuy2345]

 

[Dienomite22]

As long as 3-C is another key for "alternate timeline Saitama" or whatever then I think that's fine since current Saitama hasn't had that growth

 

[Qawsedf234]

whatever then I think that's fine since current Saitama hasn't had that growth

Its weird because they merged together but because of Saitama's goldfish intelligence he just doesn't remember anything.

But we can always just give Saitama another key I guess.

 

[Kin201]

Is Future Saitama one-shotting a 5-A Garou worth mentioning? I think we could just remove that part

 

[Qawsedf234]

Is Future Saitama one-shotting a 5-A Garou worth mentioning?

Nah. The sneeze alone was calced to be 4-C. Saitama can clap his buttchecks and the shockwave would one shot Garou by that point.

 

[Aachintya31]

Okay I have made the graph calc.

If its approved of we can link it in Garou's higher section and probably just make Saitama 3-C.

That's highly debatable considering we dont have anything on the coordinate axes.

 

[Qawsedf234]

highly debatable considering we dont have anything on the coordinate axes.

The axis are undefined (I guess X is presumably time or something) by we're going by relative placement for a known point, that being the baseline Saitama's bar started at.

 

[Kin201]

Nah. The sneeze alone was calced to be 4-C. Saitama can clap his buttchecks and the shockwave would one shot Garou by that point.

Yeah, should remove that part when we apply the changes to his page.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

That's highly debatable considering we dont have anything on the coordinate axes.

As qaw said, we use 0 as a point of reference. Instead of measuring numbers on the y axis, we measure the distance between a point and zero, and then see where that distance doubles later on, deducing the amount multiplied without needing units

 

[Dienomite22]

Okay I have made the graph calc.

If its approved of we can link it in Garou's higher section and probably just make Saitama 3-C.

now apply it to speed

 

[Cryo123]

now apply it to speed

I mean lmao

 

[ZillertheBucko]

now apply it to speed

Before the obvious question comes up, remember that there’s a panel of Saitama dodging Garou’s punch through a portal and then garou failing to dodge his counterpunch, implying that Saitama was also growing in speed along with power

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Before the obvious question comes up, remember that there’s a panel of Saitama dodging Garou’s punch through a portal and then garou failing to dodge his counterpunch, implying that Saitama was also growing in speed along with power

As for if it’s 1:1 with his power increase is probably the main point of argument against it….even tho maybe it might be

 

[Cryo123]

Before the obvious question comes up, remember that there’s a panel of Saitama dodging Garou’s punch through a portal and then garou failing to dodge his counterpunch, implying that Saitama was also growing in speed along with power

And one of Saitama casually catching Garou's hand after growing.