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saitama's growth is not passively exponential every day. the chapter pretty much tells it to your face with the surge of emotions statement
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One-Punch Man: Revision of the Gods
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HE ONE SHOT A SIMULATION OF SAITAMA BASED ON GENOS' DATA OF SAITAMA.
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Ah but can you prove he wouldn't stomp Saitama if he fought Saitama yesterday?
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my brother in christ your graph uses peru as an axis, while one is quite literally stated to be exponential which means we at least have DEFINED AXISES (Y is AP and X is time) while another axis is countries, which unlike time does not move linearly as it doesn't really measure anything, it's less of a graph and more of a list
so no, due to the fact that the graph is exponential we know that your height graph is bullshit. height and countries are not comparable to AP and time in any way, it's offensive that I had to tell you this
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Yes, he already did in the VGS
Even the exponential growth Saitama had enough power to oneshot himself from the past in about 20 minutes.
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"Even" implies that the Exponential Growth Saitama experienced against Garou is smaller than the natural growth he experiences everyday lmao are you even listening to yourself.
Of course he did. That was an extraordinary circumstance that will likely never repeat itself until Saitama fights God at the tail end of the series.
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ha,that's why i hate when this kind of things happen
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Doesn´t saitama himself say that he would never lose to himself from yesterday in the VGS, wouldn´t this mean that saitama agrees he can one-shot himself from yesterday regardless of the actual strength of the simulation.
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I agree that “Saitama passively gets stronger every day” should be removed and that we shouldn’t use the graph for a multiplier.
Basically I agree with Matt’s takes here.
Basically I agree with Matt’s takes here.
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Yeah actually, I agree with this
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reverse burden of proof, considering that if it really wasn’t zero then it would be meaningless and murata would have just started them at that line
But the only possible reason it could be highlighted is because of it being zero, it’s got no significance other than that, and murata would want to make it easy for the reader to grasp obviously instead of secretly making it a wacky ass graph without telling the reader.
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I agree with Matt's take on Saitama's AD
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mind giving your reasons so that it’ll be easier to debate it with you?
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The main concern here seems to be the lack of y axis units, but the fact that the graph represent a multiplier instead of a basic amp means the units don’t matter
Perhaps 1 square is really 3 units? Doesn’t matter, two squares will still double it to end up at 6 units. The units could be bannanas, but 2 squares would still be two bananas therefore giving a timed two multiplier
something like this is something we all learned in middle school, I hope
Perhaps 1 square is really 3 units? Doesn’t matter, two squares will still double it to end up at 6 units. The units could be bannanas, but 2 squares would still be two bananas therefore giving a timed two multiplier
something like this is something we all learned in middle school, I hope
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Agree with everything but using graph to scale. And regarding VGS:
No. Shadow Saitama was produced by the Data the machine obtained by Saitama when he used it. It has nothing to do with Genos, who didn' even know Shadow Saitama was there to begin with.
What is this logic? Garou's pushing his limits because he's copying Saitama's full strength. I can't see how Saitama one-shotting his previous self day would imply he should one-shot his full power from seconds ago. It takes time, a day, for Saitama to one-shot himself from yesterday. "Minutes" of fight (which May be far less once we get the timeframe) won't affect in anything.
No. Shadow Saitama was produced by the Data the machine obtained by Saitama when he used it. It has nothing to do with Genos, who didn' even know Shadow Saitama was there to begin with.
It can reproduce Saitama's power, as seen when Darkshine was defeated with one punch by Saitama.
Why do you say the machine was broken? The only thing to "confirm it" was the sound of explosion, but Saitama said he, in fact, one-shotted Shadow Saitama, so the machine should've contained his full strength.
It would just mean he's possibly unquantificably above 6-C, or that Genos overstimated too much Gouketsu.
(As explained at the chapter) His rate of growth went unnoticed because no one was in par with his full power. It doesn't contradict the VGS growth, it's just Saitama not knowing his continue growth because he doesn't put any effort at any of his fight, such as how he thought he couldn't even comprehend martial arts despite him at first, yet he was copying Garou's strongest martial arts techniques with ease.
Except it isn't? The Exponential Growth made him able to one-shot his previous full power punch strength in just minutes. Meanwhile, his passive strength takes an entire day to do so. The difference is kinda clear
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It's not that deep
The statement says Saitama's growth was unnoticed until now, since nobody was strong enough (1) and that a surge of emotions made it soar exponentially, eventually making him dwarf Garou in the battle (2).
1 is about his every day power growth, that we don't know exactly by how much it powers him up, but it's there
2 is about that + the surge of emotions + facing someone actually strong enough = what we see against Garou, said explosive power growth is not Saitama's usual power growth
Saitama's feat of stomping someone that was comparable to him seconds ago depends on more than just his average Accelerated Development (That's quite literally the statement), you guys must prove that what we saw against Garou, on the level that was against him, can be done
- Without someone strong enough to push him
- Without a relevant surge of emotions
Two major factors of that fight
Thing is, I don't even see this as being that much important since on a VS Thread we are going to give Saitama a 4-A opponent that will match him and we know facing someone on his level is already quite the emotion for him, so it's not like his AD isn't broken or that it's not going to be relevant VS wise, it's just not passively on that level
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I love how you implied that Saitama needed full power to one shot darkshine, but that point alone kinda completely invalidates you since without that bs point you have nothing to suggest it could replicate his strength
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Oh it seems I an mistaken then, when I asked for your reasons I thought you were referring to it the graph’s 60 times (or higher) multiplier would be accepted to get him to the 9 times increase needed for 3-C
I already agree with Matt’s take on the passive growth entirely
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Apologies for making you type all of that out, tbhOk
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Well that doesn’t really mean one shot, it could quite literally be a 1% power increase per day (more likely than a one shot considering fighting monsters barely takes more exertion than standing still for him, so it wouldn’t push him to any kind of point of increasing power.
Actually, maybe we could make a post boros fight key for him now, since Boros pushed him to a serious punch, the same attack he used after garou killed genos
it’s not Boros wank tho since the moment Saitama went serious he did get one shot after all, but Saitama himself may have experienced growth after that
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I didn't. If the machine can replicate strength high enough to one-shot Darkshine, it means that Saitama is not weak. The only instance VGS couldn't replicate something (MB power increase), he couldn't use nothing of it (it just couldn't be used there). Meanwhile, Saitama's strength is considerable, since he could one-shot one of the most durable heroes and call it a day.
But we shouldn't prove that? Saitama's passive growth is nowhere near the growth he had on the fight against Garou. Just take in consideration the timeframe.
Saitama's passive growth allows him to one-shot his previous full power after 1 day.
Saitama's soaring growth allows him to one-shot his previous full power after some punches against someone who's replicating and "perfectioning" Saitama's previous punch strength.
If his passive growth could make him pass from 1 (his full power of yesterday) to 2 (his full power of today) in a day, his soaring growth can make him pass from 1 (his full power of his first full power punch) to 3 (a punch strong enough to one-shot his one-punch-ago self) and increasing (each time the gap between him and Garou was greater despite Garou copying and countering his Last punch with as much force) in a matter of minutes.
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Any thoughts about this?
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My guy this is fan made, there are better onesHow about this image?
This is literally tiktok garou
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also my only gripes with this and I’ve said this before is that like
I think garou should just be flat out 4-a, he took genuinely serious blows from saitama even in his regular state. You trying to tell me someone with 5-a durability that was still tanking all of this shit could still keep going?
I think garou should just be flat out 4-a, he took genuinely serious blows from saitama even in his regular state. You trying to tell me someone with 5-a durability that was still tanking all of this shit could still keep going?
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best one
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He is 4-A after he copied Saitama, not before.
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yeah, garou retains stats from mimicry is what we agreed on
that's a scaling thing that needs to be worked out, since it looks like the OP uses the outdated sandbox as reference, but we discussed a few new things after it was made
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This. Let's be succinct here with this graph shit, people only want to use to wank Saitama in vs matches. It's a random graph with zero actual ways (that are legitimate.) to find said growth rate.
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Base Garou is 4-A after copying 4-A power.
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do you even know how multiplication works?
regardless of what units are used, it will still be doubled
seriously don't be a dumbass, you're gonna have to use more than just "wank wank wank wank wank wank wank" if you wanna be convincing
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@ZillertheBucko, insulting the other person was completely unnecessary.
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Let's not even go down this road pal.
Going by what exactly? There aren't any stated figures for the growth rate.
If your gonna resort to the typical OPM reddit fan argument of insulting other's then I'd suggest you unfollow the thread. I said it's wank because it is wank made from fans who want upgrades with no real basis.
Maybe practice what you preach before trying to call people dumbasses.
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Sure but regardless “wank” is not an argument, its the equivalent of saying “I’m right because I’m right, therfore I must be right because the opponent is wrong”
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No, that's quite literally you just projecting and reading shit that ain't even there.
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Tfw no one tells you about the revision.
Anyways I'm in agreement with all of the suggested changes. Though as a question what are we doing about the God profile?
Anyways I'm in agreement with all of the suggested changes. Though as a question what are we doing about the God profile?
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Imo, God shouldn't have a profile as long as it doesn't directly fight or we at least know something about him more than that it's an entity who gives power to people
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