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I'm saying that Dragon level monsters would have to scale above the energy output of the entire crater, as that level of power was not enough to grant Beefcake a dragon threat level.
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One-Punch Man: Dragon Level Monsters Upgrade
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But that "Level of power" isn't accomplished by a being with 7-A energy output. That level of power was created by a being with 7-B energy output.
So even if we accepted, "All Dragon level threats are superior to the being that made that crater, because that being is a Demon level threat", that would still put the Dragon level threats above a being with 7-B energy output.
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While I do think this thread was hastily applied in a matter of few hours even before any chance for any opposition to comment, we can just halt any kind of editing for now. Don't make the changes now or don't undo them until the discussion is properly completed. You guys can complete whatever editing is required afterwards.
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Okay. That's fine with me.
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Which chapter shows furher ugly’s threat level?
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The argument for this upgrade is that
"People saw the crater (destruction) and said Dragon level could do better"
It basically means that the people evaluating the disaster level of monsters are judging based on destructive capacity, by which logic, any Dragon level monster would be able to make a bigger crater. By this logic, if another monster like Beefcake made a bigger crater with 100 punches, the people will be like
"oh that crater is bigger than Beefcake's so let's rate this new monster higher"
even if the AP of a single punch would be lower than Beefcake's.
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The quote from the author actually really works against the basis of this CRT.
Let's examine this, okay?:
What does ONE say will happen here?
Without Saitama's intervention, Marugori will continue to cause destruction and his Disaster level will be upgraded to Dragon level.
Is it stated that Marugori will increase in power? No.
All that is stated is that the damage done by him will increase.
Which means that Marugori would have been upgraded to a Dragon level threat while his Attack Potency is still 13.822 Megatons AKA City level.
Which means this argument that all Dragon level threats must inherently possess AP surpassing the total energy required to creater the crater... is wrong.
Let's examine this, okay?:
What does ONE say will happen here?
Without Saitama's intervention, Marugori will continue to cause destruction and his Disaster level will be upgraded to Dragon level.
Is it stated that Marugori will increase in power? No.
All that is stated is that the damage done by him will increase.
Which means that Marugori would have been upgraded to a Dragon level threat while his Attack Potency is still 13.822 Megatons AKA City level.
Which means this argument that all Dragon level threats must inherently possess AP surpassing the total energy required to creater the crater... is wrong.
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no shit, I’ve agreed with this for a while now
regardless, if a dragon level gets their rating before actually attacking or anything, or just get it from fighting a hero or something, then they’d scale above the full value anyways since it’s not the “destruction over time” rating
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No. ONE's quote actually proves that it is a "destruction over time" rating. He says that over time, more damage will be done, so Marugori will get his threat level bumped up.
That inherently means that trying to scale random Dragon level threats to the full crater is wrong.
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That quote from ONE feels like the threat levels are decided purely based on the level of destruction (that can be done over a period of time) and not AP, which is a serious flaw if we use that threat level scaling for our AP scaling.
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You wildly missed the point.
I’m saying that something that has a dragon rating in a single (or less than 8) attacks would be quantifiably scaling above beefcake
the end
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And I'm saying you're incorrect.
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Your argument literally has nothing to do with what I said, you were just making the same counterargument you made to Kachon, the argument that I didn’t make
do you expect me to be able to respond to something that doesn’t even pertain to what I said??
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That's not what the OP is saying. The OP is saying that any Dragon level would scale above the DC of the crater.
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Imma take a little bit of a hot take here and say I find these arguments to be more compelling. But I’m neutral I guess.
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Ok? What are people obsessed with what the OP is saying?
I’ve made it clear that I’m using different logic here.
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It took so much to get OPM to 7-B in the first place smhAlthough I really do wanna get OPM out of 7B hell
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This is why we just need to allow calc stacking and things become simple
Recon1511
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That doesn't change anything but k
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Read the context and maybe you would know what it changes
or just read my latest posts
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I don’t mean it like that.
I mean stuff like having human Garou at 7B and the sleeping Monster Garou who fought Bang at also 7B.
It’s pain to see
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Because this is the OP's thread?
They're the primary arguments that have to be addressed. If you're proposing something different, then propose it in your own thread.
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Then make a CRT to remove AP disaster level scaling. With the way we use disaster levels, this is a sound way of scaling.
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That would actually be second.
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I’m in the process of reading it and am at chapter 80
which still doesn’t matter, I know enough about it to contribute to this crt
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Well firstly, I actually created the arguments in the OP, Kachon’s just the one who decided to put it into a crt
Two, it’s practically the same proposal, so it doesn’t even matter what argument is used if it has the same end point
You are just making shit up, there is no rule that says this thread needs to be closed just because the argument has changed
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This thread's arguments have been debunked. By your own source in fact.
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And the arguments have changed, so closing it would be obtuse and just a waste of time and effort
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No it hasn't?
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@LordTracer @Emirp sumitpo @ByAsura @Maverick_Zero_X @Qawsedf234 @Phoenks I'd like your response to this post please.
I'm taking from AKM's posts that AKM agrees with what I've said.
I'm taking from AKM's posts that AKM agrees with what I've said.
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It would be two and the current claim is that the calc being uses is incorrect. They we need to respond to clarify if if agree agree that or not..
But as Damage said 12 hours for such a universal upgrade is not enough time for a CRT.
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Don’t forget to read MY arguments as well
+ I still need to find the scans I’m looking for
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Here are the scans, again, it changes nothing it just gives the Dragon Disaster Level to the cadres
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Threat levels are based on how much a single thing can impact the function or survivability of a group of people, a city, multiple cities or all of humanity. You can be a Dragon level threat by having some wide AoE ability or by being strong enough that you'll be able the threaten multiple cities.
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Btw, I don't know if you noticed or not, but Phoenks is a content mod in FCOC wiki. He doesn't hold any staff position in VSBW. I just thought I'd make it clear.
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Ah, fair enough. Just saw that he'd agreed to it.
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