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Bingo. You have now realized the issue with this proposal.
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One-Punch Man: Dragon Level Monsters Upgrade
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And I think it’s nitpicky and stupid, and should be handled in another thread cause of the controversial implications
anyways we can still find 7-A characters on case by case basis depending on how fast they get ranked as dragon, and then just scale that shit
so the same thing, except it’s just gonna be more annoying to get the scans for
thanks
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We can do another thread later on, that's fine. Important thing for now is that this thread is tackled first and the changes reverted.
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In canon a monster's ratings has been changed after their death. Them dying doesn't mean anything, their rating can indeed change with an evaluation.
Such as Withered Sprout going from Wolf level to Tiger level after dying. While the HA can lie about Monster ratings to protect their image, I don't see how labeling Beefcake as a Dragon level threat would hurt their image in any way.
Especially when the statement we have says Beefcake didn't cause enough destruction to be rated Dragon level. Which means the crater isn't Dragon level worthy.
However I completely agree that it's highly suspect to say a Dragon level threat can do this in just one hit when this took multiple strikes. Especially since Beefcake is a Dragon level threat and the HA just doesn't know that he is Dragon level. This would imply he can perform the feat with one hit, despite him taking multiple hits.
Unless we're saying Beefcake was getting stronger? But I don't believe that has any support to it. Just that he would've caused more damage, not getting stronger.
I'll say the original 7-B scaling is better than the 7-A scaling.
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Threat level scaling is the only thing keeping this verse from becoming an incomprehensibly lowballed mess
this is the worst possible way that this crt could be going
this is the worst possible way that this crt could be going
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We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
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No, we keep this open and find the scans showing dragon levels having their threat rated
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9-C zombieman
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But Tllmbrg, that makes too much sense!
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Someone get the Furher ugly threat level confirmation scan
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Since Beefcake is such an early monster I feel like he usually sorta feel to the wayside.
But in terms of upscaling, if it should exist, it would need to be based on the guidebook crater numbers since that's what the HA canonically calculated it as.
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What’s this? There’s an in-universe calc?
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The guidebook stated that the crater was over 100 metres in diameter
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Guidebook gave explicit numbers for the crater that the HA presumably got.
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Oh
anyways, let’s just go back to finding those scans so we can get this 7-A bs done with
anyways, let’s just go back to finding those scans so we can get this 7-A bs done with
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@Qawsedf234 Are you okay with the changes that have been made so far being reverted?
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- Thread starter
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Destructive Capacity =/= Attack Potency. You should know this Damage.
This is quite franky sad. Saying that dragon level monsters can't recreate that damage with a single attack is such a flawed reason to disagree.
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True
the changes were applied before the opposition came, so it’d be best to just make a new thread, which would then be closed once I get enough time (and battery life) to find the necessary scans against it
the changes were applied before the opposition came, so it’d be best to just make a new thread, which would then be closed once I get enough time (and battery life) to find the necessary scans against it
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The agreemments happened before I could even see the thread. The CRT was rushed through too quickly.
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Who says you have the final say? 4 staff members saw it and decided that it was okay to apply. You aren't the end-all-be-all. Just because you didn't see it, that doesn't mean that it's null.
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A CRT getting rush through in 12 hours or so is not the end-all be-all either. And since most of the people agreeing haven't responded to or possibly haven't seen the counter-arguments yet, their votes cannot be held to be absolute.
Do you think it would be preferable if all of the changes were made and then undone afterwards, or if a potentially wrong thread was stopped in its tracks right now? Seems better not to waste more effort.
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Are you going to acknowledge my response to your attempt at a counter-argument, or are you just going to complain that the thread was "rushed through" despite it having multiple staff and non-staff opinions?
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I can do both.
I'll acknowledge your response soon; I just wanted to check with another Admin if it was okay to undo the applied edits so far.
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That's an extremely dumb choice. 1 staff member can't overrule 4. That's just not how it works. Asking another admin wouldn't work either. You would have to reply to counter-arguments before even asking to overturn the CRT.
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I don't think so; this is why staff exist, to moderate actions like this.
This is why, IIRC, there was a discussion rule proposed to ensure that CRT's stayed open 24 hours being applied, even if it recieved approval right away. So that other people would have the opportunity to see the thread (due to timezones and all) and have a chance to respond to it.
And I have been responding to other people's post so far.
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Well we did use the Mob and Tatsumaki comparison for a while, but we dropped it after the two series progressed more and they got vastly different levels of feats
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Which is why this thread is still open?
I'd rather you actually respond to my counter than argue about wether to overturn the decision.
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Well your counter-argument is that "Destructive Capacity =/= Attack Potency."
But I don't see the relevance of that to this issue.
Your proposal is this:
"Since all of the damage caused by Beefcake while he was still alive was still not enough to grant him a Dragon level disaster level, all Dragon level monsters and characters comparable to them should scale above the full value of the crater."
But Beefcake produced that crater in multiple punches. No evidence has been presented that a Dragon level threat could recreate that with one attack.
If Beefcake doesn't scale to the full crater by himself, then something stronger than Beefcake doesn't necessarily scale to the full crater either.
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This is the issue.
You're claiming that because a Dragon level threat doesn't have a feat on the scale of Beefcake's crater, they can't scale above it.
That's exactly AP =/= DC. They would have the AP, but not the same DC of the attack.
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A 7-A crater not being enough to give Beefcake the Dragon level threat status is the important part. It’s not as if they’re paying attention to how many punches it took, they just see the crater. Essentially, it’s as if they see that 7-A crater itself and are like “a Dragon level threat could do better than that”
Oh yeah btw I support the upgrade
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All damage Beefcake caused while alive = Not quite enough for him to be a dragon level threat
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This is stupid just wait for people to find the damn pages and this can be accepted and closed
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But that's precisely what you're arguing.
You're saying that "A 7-A crater isn't enough for a Mysterious Being to be rated Dragon level. This is because Dragon level Mysterious Beings can produce even bigger craters than the 7-A crater."
You can't say that destructive capacity has nothing to do with it when your entire argument is based on Destructive Capacity.
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I think the argument is more so that because a 7-B can cause 7-A damage over time, and beefcake would have been upgraded to dragon if he stayed alive, then dragon levels shouldn’t necessarily scale to the AP since they could have also reached that level of destruction through over time as opposed to doing so in 1 punch
but if we just have a scan of a monster being ranked dragon level before doing any damage, or being ranked dragon within a single punch, then the crt goes through regardless
so basically it’s just stalling, but 7-A is still completely valid
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This is a bit of a strawman because the argument is more that they’re stronger, not necessarily that they can make a bigger crater. Again with the whole AP =/= DC dilemma
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