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Shouldn't this also apply to, y'know, Amai Mask? The person who actually has the quote?
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One-Punch Man: Monsterization
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Yes, it doesn't apply to everyone. Just meant it for Garou. The ninjas were talking about what's achievable, referring this to be superior to any training, drug and modification.
We don't know how strong he was before he completely became a monster, and meaningless overall.
For his current version, unless his human form is fully based on body control rather than shape shifting ability gained by monsterification.
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Edit: Ignore my comment, I understand the issue now. If we do ever get a number for pre-monster Sweet Mask, this will apply to that, I presume.
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Why exactly?
MB should be an extremely powerful amplifier since it can increase Boros' power enough to catch Saitama off guard, massively increasing the AOE of his attacks which gives the impression of a huge increase, not to mention that MB greatly reduces Boros' resistance and shortens his lifespan due to how powerful this increase is, so I think it's valid to at least consider the idea of this multiplier being applicable to MB as well.
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We're not making this a Boros thread.
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I only asked a question, but if you don't want to answer, I'll leave it for later.
EnderLord8
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Okay, going back to Garou, his AP would change in some points. Which characters would scale as Garou considering the new values?
XSOULOFCINDERX
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A lot. Like a lot, a lot.
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Royal Ripper, Bug God, Darkshine, Golden Sperm, Awakened Breath Bang, and Metal Bat are the only characters that change I'm pretty sure
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Doesn't Rover change too since he scales above the Garou he was hunting down?
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Check the sandbox. Post-Rover Garou's value is unchanged.
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Does this also apply to Lifting Strength?
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I'm fine with the 3x amp
Having said that, I disagree with where you're placing the limiter break at.
- The narration in Chapter 130 is explicit that Garou was just now breaking his limiter. This isn't just Viz, with Fan Translations also stating more or less the exact same thing. So Garou would only gain a 3x at the end of the Darkshine fight and not anytime before
- Garou's next limiter break seems to be against Bang, but only after unlocking the Heart Exploding Fist -> Not sure if this really counts but it could since he's exceeding his body's limits
- Garou seems to break his limiter during PS
- I don't think Resonance counts for a 3x, as that's not a limiter breaking instance but just him and MB amping each other
- Complete Monster is probably fine considering how Garou talks about it
- Gargoyle Mode based on Saitama noticing a change can debatably fit
- The four-armed Gargoyle mode has no indication of a major strength boost from either Garou or Saitama, so I would say that it wouldn't count for a 3x increase
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While I definitely don't disagree that Garou only broke his limiter in Chapter 130, I think you're forgetting that before reaching your limit, there are several "walls" that need to be broken before you reach that level. Breaking those walls will result in explosive growth. As Psykos mentioned, Garou broke through one of those walls after nearly dying against Royal Ripper and Bug God.
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The argument I'm seeing from your OP is that it's the limiter breaking growths that should match or exceed Mask's growth rate, which I can get behind. In the examples you gave, that's just Garou getting closer to Monsterization rather than breaking his limiter. So I don't think those would qualify for a 3x boost under the current. You would need to show that he's gaining power similar to Amai's Monsterization, which is difficult to prove outside of the limiter statements.
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Sounds good to me.
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The point isn't just breaking the limiter.
When they turn into monsters, they're still stuck at the limiter.
It's stated that when you overcome death, you surpass that. You ascend to the next state. That's not the same as removing your limiter.
Those first moments are Garou surpassing his limits and evolve by overcoming death. Ascending his limits at those moments. It applies to these cases
The one about Garou vs Bang isn't potential type limit, but just their current physical ability. (Like, using their body's full capacity and beyond, rather than being related to limiter)
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So... About the LS... Is it also affected by the 3-times increase?
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Well... Assuming it's applicable, it would look approximately like this:
Base Hero Hunter Garou: Class G (14.47 million metric tons)
Post-Bang and Bomb Human Garou: Class G (43.41 million metric tons)
Half-Monster Garou (initial): Class G (130.23 million metric tons)
Half-Monster Garou (Post-Orochi): Class P (20.12 trillion metric tons)
Post-Darkshine Garou (initial): Class P (60.35 trillion metric tons)
Post-Darkshine Garou (Post-Platinum Sperm): Class P (181.07 trillion metric tons)
Post-Darkshine Garou (Resonance): Class P (543.2 trillion metric tons)
Post-Sage Centipede Garou (Complete Monster): Class E (1.63 quadrillion metric tons)
Post-Sage Centipede Garou (Second Form): Class E (4.89 quadrillion tons)
Post-Sage Centipede Garou (Third Form): Class E (88.66 quadrillion tons)
Base Hero Hunter Garou: Class G (14.47 million metric tons)
Post-Bang and Bomb Human Garou: Class G (43.41 million metric tons)
Half-Monster Garou (initial): Class G (130.23 million metric tons)
Half-Monster Garou (Post-Orochi): Class P (20.12 trillion metric tons)
Post-Darkshine Garou (initial): Class P (60.35 trillion metric tons)
Post-Darkshine Garou (Post-Platinum Sperm): Class P (181.07 trillion metric tons)
Post-Darkshine Garou (Resonance): Class P (543.2 trillion metric tons)
Post-Sage Centipede Garou (Complete Monster): Class E (1.63 quadrillion metric tons)
Post-Sage Centipede Garou (Second Form): Class E (4.89 quadrillion tons)
Post-Sage Centipede Garou (Third Form): Class E (88.66 quadrillion tons)
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@Epiccheev Don't post irrelevant comments like that, thanks.
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Bump.
XSOULOFCINDERX
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Do we still need Staff or are we just waiting for Kachon to recover still?
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I didn't know then it can be closed
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