One Piece Vibrations

[Fireld]

Busoshoku Koka+
-Vibrations can pass through a person's body, targeting their internal organs without breaking the skin according to the durability page. Haki has been able to cancel this kinds of attacks thus it should get a vibration resistance.
-Armament Haki covers the outside of the user like tough armor. Hasshoken is a shockwave technique stated as unblockable making shields and armor useless. This isn't a baseless boast as 2 gladiators try to defend against it with a shield and spear, these weapons completely tank the attack but the gladiators themselves were still injureded by this move nonetheless. Inspite of all this, armament haki users have been able to block the effects of this technqiue.
-The Quake Fruit can create shockwaves which can go through tagerts. An airquake managed go beyond the siegewall with marines getting knocked back, even making Sengoku guard himself even tho the wall was tough enough to withstand WB's power but it could not phase thru the admirals Haki Barrier.
Whitebeard
-Last year WB was removed from the hyperbole page for these reasons. Now it's time to remove the hyperbole from WB's page for the same reason

Credits: @Ryuga21 & @KingTempest

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

What exacly is this about?

 

[Fireld]

Giving haki resistance to vibration hax and removing the hyperbole from WB page

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Giving haki resistance to vibration hax and removing the hyperbole from WB page

Then i think i might agree.

 

[Ped2018]

VERY Sus title

 

[Eminiteable]

I agree with the changes

 

[SirAlex09]

Agree

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Simple agree

 

[Eseseso]

Looks good to me!

 

[Ped2018]

Ah, forgot to mention, i agree as well

 

[Kachon123]

I agree

 

[SnookB]

Easy agree. All seems straightforward

 

[Fireld]

Pretty good so far, bump.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Wouldn’t it be resistance to vibration and dura negation?

Vibration Manipulation and Durability Negation (Can use the Happo Navy's special technique utilizing vibrations to harm the enemy, which can bypass armor and shields to harm their opponents, and can also send them inside the bodies of others)

that is what’s being resisted

 

[Fireld]

Exactly!

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Then yee I think I agree with everything

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

So wait, I'm confused. Is this clarifying that the Gura Gura No Mi's vibrations can bypass busoshoku haki?

 

[Fireld]

No it's the opposite, the quake fruit's shockwave couldn't bypass the haki barrier.

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

No it's the opposite, the quake fruit's shockwave couldn't bypass the haki barrier.

Ok, thank you for clarifying. In that case, I agree with the revisions.

 

[Nierre]

makes sense

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

That will only apply for advanced armament haki users right? We know normal haki cant stop it, thats the whole point of advanced armament haki trainning. The example of the admirals is emission of Advanced armament haki.

 

[SnookB]

That will only apply for advanced armament haki users right? We know normal haki cant stop it, thats the whole point of advanced armament haki trainning. The example of the admirals is emission of Advanced armament haki.

Luffy and Sai's regular armament blocked out Hasshoken. So no
The admirals example only applies to Gura Gura's shockwaves but that shit can literally break the air so it's a different tier of shockwaves altogether

 

[Damage3245]

-Armament Haki covers the outside of the user like tough armor. Hasshoken is a shockwave technique stated as unblockable making shields and armor useless. This isn't a baseless boast as 2 gladiators try to defend against it with a shield and spear, these weapons completely tank the attack but the gladiators themselves were still injureded by this move nonetheless. Inspite of all this, armament haki users have been able to block the effects of this technqiue.

Isn't it possible that Luffy is just durable enough to withstand Chinjao's Hasshoken? Being able to bypass armor and shields and "negate durability" isn't the same as being able to harm anyone regardless of their toughness. There is an AP component, the nature of the vibrations is just in how that AP is delivered to the opponent.

 

[SnookB]

Isn't it possible that Luffy is just durable enough to withstand Chinjao's Hasshoken? Being able to bypass armor and shields and "negate durability" isn't the same as being able to harm anyone regardless of their toughness. There is an AP component, the nature of the vibrations is just in how that AP is delivered to the opponent.

Why use armament at all, then?
Sai's the same case, and he was for sure not 'durable enough' when compared to Luffy's rubberier/more resistant self.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Why use armament at all, then?
Sai's the same case, and he was for sure not 'durable enough' when compared to Luffy's rubberier/more resistant self.

We also know that Zoan type get an extra resistance and regeneration like luffy which could be the reason why he was ok but others did not

 

[SnookB]

We also know that Zoan type get an extra resistance and regeneration like luffy which could be the reason why he was ok but others did not

Don Sai. Again.

 

[Damage3245]

Why use armament at all, then?
Sai's the same case, and he was for sure not 'durable enough' when compared to Luffy's rubberier/more resistant self.

Armament is an offensive boost as well, and in the examples of the gallery the feats shown were when the characters were clashing with each other.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Don Sai. Again.

Don sai has the same technique most likely shockwave vs shockwave null itself

 

[SnookB]

There's practically no reason whatsoever for anyone "durable enough" to even take the precautions of using armament.

Armament is an offensive boost as well, and in the examples of the gallery the feats shown were when the characters were clashing with each other.

If Chinjao contends with Luffy without Hasshoken, why would Luffy's insides take any less of a beating if Chinjao does use it?
The same case goes for Sai. The clash is to overpower and mitigate.

 

[SnookB]

Don sai has the same technique most likely shockwave vs shockwave null itself

Yeah, I'll take the consistent showing of haki resisting it than a 'most likely' anything else

 

[Damage3245]

There's practically no reason whatsoever for anyone "durable enough" to even take the precautions of using armament.

If Chinjao contends with Luffy without Hasshoken, why would Luffy's insides take any less of a beating if Chinjao does use it?
The same case goes for Sai. The clash is to overpower and mitigate.

I don't really understand this tbh.

 

[SnookB]

Unless there's another instance of "shockwave vs shockwave null" then no

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Unless there's another instance of "shockwave vs shockwave null" then no

Advanced armament haki null WB

 

[Shmooply]

Wouldn’t it be resistance to vibration and dura negation?

Not sure. Vibration Manipulation is just one form of Durability Negation, so resisting it doesn't immediately grant Resistance to every single type of Durability Negation. Maybe just limited resistance to it?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yeah, I'll take the consistent showing of haki resisting it than a 'most likely' anything else

Its "your burden" to prove there isnt another "most likely" reason

 

[SnookB]

I don't really understand this tbh.

The argument you're using is "Maybe it's not so unblockable and Luffy's just that durable", when the statements just say it is unblockable shockwaves. Idk what the "if" is about when it's that crystal clear

Advanced armament haki null WB

Uhuh.. and where's the shockwave vs shockwave in that? Emission is forcefield creation/reflection, not shockwave manipulation.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Not sure. Vibration Manipulation is just one form of Durability Negation, so resisting it doesn't immediately grant Resistance to every single type of Durability Negation. Maybe just limited resistance to it?

No, there’s no limited.. it’s a resistance for a reason, not an immunity

it won’t resist dura negation via soul hax or something for example, the justification will cover how and what it resists like nearly all resistances do

 

[SnookB]

Its "your burden" to prove there isnt another "most likely" reason

it's not on the scans??? Nothing is my burden if all I'm arguing is what's on the pages lmao

 

[Damage3245]

The argument you're using is "Maybe it's not so unblockable and Luffy's just that durable", when the statements just say it is unblockable shockwaves. Idk what the "if" is about when it's that crystal clear

Unblockable =/= can harm everyone though.

There are different levels of durability negation.

 

[SnookB]

Unblockable =/= can harm everyone though.

There are different levels of durability negation.

Has it been shown to be no-sold or withstood by anyone not using haki?
Because Sai was even with Lao G and Lao G got one shot via Hasshoken despite not being as weak as the gladiators