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Move this to the Staff Board... absolutely nothing from regulars, please
I felt the need to bring this up due to many of the feats in the manga constantly bringing up "light-speed".
This thread is going to be a little rushed seeing as how I need to sleep, and I'd rather go into more elaboration in the comment section
Disclaimer: The only thing that i find concerning is how I've heard that these feats are considered "outliers" when that's ridiculous when none of these characters are actually even comparable to light-speed when taking these feats into account, however, they'd be considerably faster than their current MHS~MHS+ ratings.
Bringing up the Statements and existence of Light Speed in One Piece
Both Bartholomew Kuma and Kizaru have brought up the speed of their attacks being light-speed. Kuma stating that the air-pads being repelled from his attacks are light-speed, and Kizaru being, well... Light.
Not to mention how Foxy blatantly states that his Devil Fruit power allows him to create and manipulate Photons with his Noro Noro beam, and this is further supported when his beams are reflected directly off of mirrors and other reflective surfaces. And that the description of his fruit clarifies that he fires off a beam of light.
Reliability of these statements
Outside of some of Kizaru's beams exploding upon contact, he has displayed the use of real-light before. Many of his beams and most notably is Yata Mirror seem to be comprised of photons and reflect off of surfaces in most of his showings.
It's also clear how vast the gap in his actual travel and attack speed is when compared to the Supernova characters, who are capable of keeping up with CP9 members, the weakest and slowest of the bunch being able to react to lightning from close-range. Kizaru can near-blitz such characters like X-Drake, Hawkins and Apoo from dozens of meters away before they can even process what is happening.
In the case of Kuma, his movement when repelling himself and the air has been directly compared to "teleportation" by anyone who has seen it, when in reality, he is merely repelling himself and the air at incredibly high speeds that he merely vanishes from the sight of anyone who happens to be watching him. Out of everyone in Thriller Bark, the only one to notice his movement path was Zoro.
The Speed of the Supernova characters
While it has been made abundantly clear that they are vastly inferior in speed as compared to Kizaru's displayed speed, they are capable of actually seeing his movements, even if they can't actually react. This makes it evident that they are no where near comparable to light-speed in any sense when looking at all of these feats.
In terms of scaling, the best character to think about would be Zoro, who is capable of moving out of the way to avoid attacks from Kuma's air-pads while they are already mid-flight (though the second scan could be aim-dodging since we see Zoro moving before the pads are actually visible in one of the panels). At best, he'd probably be base-line Sub-Rel, but again, the Calc Group or I would have to see into this.
Rayleigh's Speed
While it had already been debated in the past that Kizaru could have been moving or not during the time Rayleigh leaped and slashed him, He could still react to the tunnel of light before it reached Zoro and co., and again, assuming Kizaru had moved (which seems to be the case given that he was off of the ground and his feet hit the ground in the next panel), Rayleigh would easily be within Sub-Relativistic+ speeds or higher.
Discussion About Future Calculations
Considering how there's many MANY statements in the plot regarding the use of photons and light-speed abilities, I believe that it is necessary to bring this topic up seeing as how One Piece speed in general is leaning on merely two calculations for MHS and MHS+ speeds, the latter being reliant solely on the size of the planet.
The way I see it, other then Foxy, Kizaru, and Kuma having specific abilities with Light-Speed, most of the cast would be somewhere between MHS+ and Sub-Rel+ speeds for Combat Speed, after calculations and evaluations of course.
I felt the need to bring this up due to many of the feats in the manga constantly bringing up "light-speed".
This thread is going to be a little rushed seeing as how I need to sleep, and I'd rather go into more elaboration in the comment section
Disclaimer: The only thing that i find concerning is how I've heard that these feats are considered "outliers" when that's ridiculous when none of these characters are actually even comparable to light-speed when taking these feats into account, however, they'd be considerably faster than their current MHS~MHS+ ratings.
Bringing up the Statements and existence of Light Speed in One Piece
Both Bartholomew Kuma and Kizaru have brought up the speed of their attacks being light-speed. Kuma stating that the air-pads being repelled from his attacks are light-speed, and Kizaru being, well... Light.
Not to mention how Foxy blatantly states that his Devil Fruit power allows him to create and manipulate Photons with his Noro Noro beam, and this is further supported when his beams are reflected directly off of mirrors and other reflective surfaces. And that the description of his fruit clarifies that he fires off a beam of light.
Reliability of these statements
Outside of some of Kizaru's beams exploding upon contact, he has displayed the use of real-light before. Many of his beams and most notably is Yata Mirror seem to be comprised of photons and reflect off of surfaces in most of his showings.
It's also clear how vast the gap in his actual travel and attack speed is when compared to the Supernova characters, who are capable of keeping up with CP9 members, the weakest and slowest of the bunch being able to react to lightning from close-range. Kizaru can near-blitz such characters like X-Drake, Hawkins and Apoo from dozens of meters away before they can even process what is happening.
In the case of Kuma, his movement when repelling himself and the air has been directly compared to "teleportation" by anyone who has seen it, when in reality, he is merely repelling himself and the air at incredibly high speeds that he merely vanishes from the sight of anyone who happens to be watching him. Out of everyone in Thriller Bark, the only one to notice his movement path was Zoro.
The Speed of the Supernova characters
While it has been made abundantly clear that they are vastly inferior in speed as compared to Kizaru's displayed speed, they are capable of actually seeing his movements, even if they can't actually react. This makes it evident that they are no where near comparable to light-speed in any sense when looking at all of these feats.
In terms of scaling, the best character to think about would be Zoro, who is capable of moving out of the way to avoid attacks from Kuma's air-pads while they are already mid-flight (though the second scan could be aim-dodging since we see Zoro moving before the pads are actually visible in one of the panels). At best, he'd probably be base-line Sub-Rel, but again, the Calc Group or I would have to see into this.
Rayleigh's Speed
While it had already been debated in the past that Kizaru could have been moving or not during the time Rayleigh leaped and slashed him, He could still react to the tunnel of light before it reached Zoro and co., and again, assuming Kizaru had moved (which seems to be the case given that he was off of the ground and his feet hit the ground in the next panel), Rayleigh would easily be within Sub-Relativistic+ speeds or higher.
Discussion About Future Calculations
Considering how there's many MANY statements in the plot regarding the use of photons and light-speed abilities, I believe that it is necessary to bring this topic up seeing as how One Piece speed in general is leaning on merely two calculations for MHS and MHS+ speeds, the latter being reliant solely on the size of the planet.
The way I see it, other then Foxy, Kizaru, and Kuma having specific abilities with Light-Speed, most of the cast would be somewhere between MHS+ and Sub-Rel+ speeds for Combat Speed, after calculations and evaluations of course.
