One Piece Post-Timeskip Update #2

[Eseseso]

The fire never hurt Big Mom. It was Prometheus that was hurt.

1. Are you sure? I don't fully remember.

2. He was still at least even with her (if not holding a slight upper hand), and she even said that she didn't want to fight him until she got more Homies.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

"Swiped Akainu's magma attack with his bare hand and wasn't injured"

Sure, that works. Though the bracket should be placed before the "far higher", just for the sake of aesthetics. Speaking of which, why does WB even have a far higher with Hao Infusion? I thought we agreed that Luffy's the only one who seemingly got a massive boost with it. Keep in mind, I do think it's probably a massive boost, but like you said, most of the other characters' showings don't quite support that.

 

[Ryuga21]

Marco only stood out over the flames surrounding Linlin's fist because his flames have "special" properties. He is not physically superior to BM in any way (so true that after this scene, Marco is overpowered by her; using only one hand)

 

[Eseseso]

Marco only stood out over the flames surrounding Linlin's fist because his flames have "special" properties. He is not physically superior to BM in any way (so true that after this scene, Marco is overpowered by her; using only one hand)

True, but she still didn't want to face him until she had more Homies, and isn't restraining with one hand more of a lifting strength feat?

 

[Eseseso]

I can't wait until we can use @KingTempest 's Wano blog

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Disagree.

outlier. Whitebeard is planet lvl, minimum

 

[Damage3245]

Disagree.

outlier. Whitebeard is planet lvl, minimum

Noted.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Noted

I meant... outlier, whitebeard is canon/pistol lvl

 

[SnookB]

Seeing Jozu in 6-B is odd to me, mostly because Doflamingo could stop him with very little effort mid-charge during the war.

 

[Damage3245]

Seeing Jozu in 6-B is odd to me, considering Doflamingo could stop him with very little effort mid-charge during the war.

Marineford is has a whole lot of issues, that for some I think we ought not examine too closely tbh.

Doffy's performance in his own focused arc is more worthwhile than him during the war.

 

[SnookB]

Marineford is has a whole lot of issues, that for some I think we ought not examine too closely tbh.

Doffy's performance in his own focused arc is more worthwhile than him during the war.

Fair enough. I guess applying LS to parasite strings rather than AP is more reasonable anyway. Aokiji's still seems unfinished- otherwise the justifications and whatnot look great

 

[StrawHatArslan]

After god tiers, are we getting to POST-TS speed rev?

 

[Damage3245]

After god tiers, are we getting to POST-TS speed rev?

Yes.


Anyway, it looks like pretty much unanimous approval for the sandbox of the God Tiers so they can be updated later today presumably.

 

[GroundX1]

the recalculations From the WB made by Tempest that stayed 44 Teratons were accepted?

 

[StrawHatArslan]

the recalculations From the WB made by Tempest that stayed 44 Teratons were accepted?

37 teratons, yeah it was

 

[Eminiteable]

Noticed that Marco has "higher with zoan, even higher with hybrid form" yet the feats listed for his base form "contending with the admirals" were all performed with his zoan transformations active.

 

[KobsterHope07]

Here is the sandbox: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Damage3245/One_Piece_God_Tier_Scaling

Most of the work being done by KingTempest of course, so big thanks to him.

For Shiki, I assumed the Unknown is for his Strong World key, if so, we have an accepted calculation for Shiki that puts him at Large Mountain level

 

[Eminiteable]

Noticed that Marco has "higher with zoan, even higher with hybrid form" yet the feats listed for his base form "contending with the admirals" were all performed with his zoan transformations active.

After fully reading the sandbox there's a few things that I think could be changed/added alongside my initial post:

Fujitora:

Stronger than Trafalgar Law, as he was capable of casually overpowering him. Doflamingo said that even with his entire crew, it wouldn't be an easy task to eliminate him.

Law who he's stronger than is rated at 7-A+ as is Doflamingo and both of these justificiations would make Fuji above these two, meaning Fujitora should be rated "At least Mountain level+" instead.

Kozuki Oden:

Prime Rayleigh only felt confident in taking him on with Gaban at his side[1], implying that he didn't think he could take Oden on alone

From the actual chapter I don't think there's anything suggesting Rayleigh was only confident fighting with Gaban or that he didn't think he could take Oden on alone, Gaban only said "should we nip this in the bud", which just suggests that they wanted to stop Oden most likely in the most efficient/quick way possible which would be together. Personally I think this justification for him can go.

Kaidou:

higher in Zoan Form, far higher in Hybrid Form or with Haoshoku infusion

I don't agree with the separation of Zoan form and Hybrid and scaling them higher than each other and instead think the two should be rated together. First of all there isn't actually anything suggesting that Hybrid is superior to regular zoan's in terms of stats, and the statement "his already-high physical abilities get improved even further" is referring to his Base form which was obvious. Also there isn't much reason to assume there should be a massive difference in general for example a boro breathe from Hybrid doesn't have any reason to be stronger than one from his zoan form.

We also see recently in chapter 1037 (Not suggesting any wano scaling only using this as proof there isn't much difference) that Luffy with ryuo barriers struggles to stop and deflect a Zoan demolition gust yet not showing as much issue against a Hybrid + Hao strike (Although admittedly he was in base against Zoan and gear 2nd against Hybrid it isn't much of a difference as Kaidou was using Haoshoku infusion in Hybrid but not Zoan), showing there isn't actually a massive difference between the two forms.

Also Hybrid and Haoshoku infusion shouldn't be listed as the same/similar values as Kaidou with infusion can and commonly is stacked on top of Hybrid making it undoubtedly higher than just Hybrid's rating alone.

So instead Kaidou's rating should look something like this "6-B, higher in Zoan Forms, far higher with Haoshoku infusion".

Skull said that Kaido had the highest sheer battle power out of all the Yonko, which means he should be stronger than Whitebeard, Shanks, and Big Mom.

I agree with the statement, however, Shanks should not be included (regardless of if via the scaling Kaidou still ends up scaling above him) as Skull prior to giving this information states he couldn't find much information on Shanks. Meaning this statement primarily applies to Big Mom and Whitebeard.

Also as further support for the statement we should use the same justification of Oden's profile to support it where he stated "If I fail to defeat him, there will be no others who can stop Kaidou for a long time".

 

[Damage3245]

Noticed that Marco has "higher with zoan, even higher with hybrid form" yet the feats listed for his base form "contending with the admirals" were all performed with his zoan transformations active.

Yeah, that'll need to be fixed.

Law who he's stronger than is rated at 7-A+ as is Doflamingo and both of these justificiations would make Fuji above these two, meaning Fujitora should be rated "At least Mountain level+" instead.

Okay, that's fine.

From the actual chapter I don't think there's anything suggesting Rayleigh was only confident fighting with Gaban or that he didn't think he could take Oden on alone, Gaban only said "should we nip this in the bud", which just suggests that they wanted to stop Oden most likely in the most efficient/quick way possible which would be together. Personally I think this justification for him can go.

That's true. I'd remove that.

So instead Kaidou's rating should look something like this "6-B, higher in Zoan Forms, far higher with Haoshoku infusion".

Seems reasonable.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Emin's proposals seem good to me as well.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

After fully reading the sandbox there's a few things that I think could be changed/added alongside my initial post:

Fujitora:
Law who he's stronger than is rated at 7-A+ as is Doflamingo and both of these justificiations would make Fuji above these two, meaning Fujitora should be rated "At least Mountain level+" instead.

Kozuki Oden:
From the actual chapter I don't think there's anything suggesting Rayleigh was only confident fighting with Gaban or that he didn't think he could take Oden on alone, Gaban only said "should we nip this in the bud", which just suggests that they wanted to stop Oden most likely in the most efficient/quick way possible which would be together. Personally I think this justification for him can go.

I agree with the statement, however, Shanks should not be included (regardless of if via the scaling Kaidou still ends up scaling above him) as Skull prior to giving this information states he couldn't find much information on Shanks. Meaning this statement primarily applies to Big Mom and Whitebeard.

Also as further support for the statement we should use the same justification of Oden's profile to support it where he stated "If I fail to defeat him, there will be no others who can stop Kaidou for a long time".

Agree.

Kaidou:
I don't agree with the separation of Zoan form and Hybrid and scaling them higher than each other and instead think the two should be rated together. First of all there isn't actually anything suggesting that Hybrid is superior to regular zoan's in terms of stats, and the statement "his already-high physical abilities get improved even further" is referring to his Base form which was obvious. Also there isn't much reason to assume there should be a massive difference in general for example a boro breathe from Hybrid doesn't have any reason to be stronger than one from his zoan form.

We also see recently in chapter 1037 (Not suggesting any wano scaling only using this as proof there isn't much difference) that Luffy with ryuo barriers struggles to stop and deflect a Zoan demolition gust yet not showing as much issue against a Hybrid + Hao strike (Although admittedly he was in base against Zoan and gear 2nd against Hybrid it isn't much of a difference as Kaidou was using Haoshoku infusion in Hybrid but not Zoan), showing there isn't actually a massive difference between the two forms.

Also Hybrid and Haoshoku infusion shouldn't be listed as the same/similar values as Kaidou with infusion can and commonly is stacked on top of Hybrid making it undoubtedly higher than just Hybrid's rating alone.

So instead Kaidou's rating should look something like this "6-B, higher in Zoan Forms, far higher with Haoshoku infusion".

Neutral.

 

[Nierre]

Pop off Emin

 

[KobsterHope07]

For Roronoa Zoro's page, it seems that the 2nd key tier does not match the Attack Potency.

The tier have "7-A, far higher with Busōshoku Haki, even higher with Asura" while the Attack Potency is just "Mountain level+ (Would have killed Basil Hawkins if not for his ability. Clashed with Denjiro but was inferior)" Missing the Buso Haki and Asura part

And I believe theBuso-Haki justification of "One-Shot Killer" in Zoro's first key need to be move over to the second as that is Early Wano feat

 

[Damage3245]

For Roronoa Zoro's page, it seems that the 2nd key tier does not match the Attack Potency.

The tier have "7-A, far higher with Busōshoku Haki, even higher with Asura" while the Attack Potency is just "Mountain level+ (Would have killed Basil Hawkins if not for his ability. Clashed with Denjiro but was inferior)" Missing the Buso Haki and Asura part

And I believe theBuso-Haki justification of "One-Shot Killer" in Zoro's first key need to be move over to the second as that is Early Wano feat

Thanks. Fixed it.

 

[Ped2018]

Have the changes been applied?

 

[joshpiece]

I agree with Emin’s suggestions as well.

While in a weakened state, Big Mom casually broke through Jinbe's haki-imbued guard with one of her sword swings, sending him flying with very little effort[40].

This I think is just irreverent for big mom. The other justifications are more than enough.

Other than that everything ok to me.

 

[LordGinSama]

I'd also suggest removing Kizaru's "durability negation via heat." part given that Whitebeard's resistance scales to Akainu who's obviously using much more potent heat.

 

[Ryuga21]

I have no disagreements, mainly for WoG regarding the Magu Magu leading attack power among all fruits derived from its intense heat.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

bump

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I'd also suggest removing Kizaru's "durability negation via heat." part given that Whitebeard's resistance scales to Akainu who's obviously using much more potent heat.

Idk... That's iffy af, or do we add higher via piercing power? As it easily want through whitebeard?

 

[SnookB]

I have no disagreements, mainly for WoG regarding the Magu Magu leading attack power among all fruits derived from its intense heat.

Has anyone tried calcing how hot Magu Magu is? If Oda's reasoning in it being the highest offense is its heat, then it has to be hotter than Goro Goro as well. Starting to sound far less like regular magma and more like planet's core magma-

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Starting to sound far less like regular magma and more like planet's core magma-

I mean... It's not average magma... The same way luffy isn't regular rubber. They are enhanced because of training their devil fruit

Has anyone tried calcing how hot Magu Magu is? If Oda's reasoning in it being the highest offense is its heat, then it has to be hotter than Goro Goro as well.

I saw one somewhere... But I didn't understand it

Akainu's Magma Heat |

This is something I've been wondering since he has feats that show high levels of heat The feats: Instantly vaporized a massive iceberg:

animevice.boards.net

 

[SnookB]

I mean... It's not average magma... The same way luffy isn't regular rubber. They are enhanced because of training their devil fruit

I saw one somewhere... But I didn't understand it

Akainu's Magma Heat |

This is something I've been wondering since he has feats that show high levels of heat The feats: Instantly vaporized a massive iceberg:

animevice.boards.net

That doesn't seem to cover the heat- just the energy required to burn all that in one go. RIP.
There's a calc that states it's 16 232F/9000C for burning fire itself. Again- unknown. We'll get to learn more about it when he's more relevant, but at least we know Akainu scales over anything else that any other DF user feat we see. Oda did say that it's OFFENSE is the highest after all.

 

[StrawHatArslan]

bump (lets not let dis die, we are so close bro)

 

[Damage3245]

I'll try and adjust the sandbox for Emin's comments if it hasn't been done already.

 

[Damage3245]

@KingTempest; what do you think we should do with Marco's statistics based on what Emin said?

Noticed that Marco has "higher with zoan, even higher with hybrid form" yet the feats listed for his base form "contending with the admirals" were all performed with his zoan transformations active.

 

[KingTempest]

@KingTempest; what do you think we should do with Marco's statistics based on what Emin said?

Having zoan limbs activated isn't automatically a "hybrid", feats where he kicked with his regular human leg and such is his base form.

Only time he used hybrid attacks is on Akainu alongside Vista.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Having zoan limbs activated isn't automatically a "hybrid", feats where he kicked with his regular human leg and such is his base form.

Only time he used hybrid attacks is on Akainu alongside Vista.

Agree with tempest

 

[Damage3245]

Sure, that's fine then. Should his bit about fighting Akainu be moved up to the hybrid section and the rest left as is?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Should his bit about fighting Akainu be moved up to the hybrid section and the rest left as is?

He only attacked Akainu via hybrid once I believe... That all happened to distract him from hurting luffy or ace

Didn't actually fight each other