One Piece Post-Timeskip Scaling and Calcs #2

[Damage3245]

To be fair, Wiper was already on the verge of passing out when he was hit by the El Thor.

And Sanji stayed standing and talking for half a minute before falling over.

 

[Js250476]

Sanji was also already injured at the time as well

 

[Aerozz]

guys there is something important that your missing, Enel's power destroys and electrical you, so that means they survived an strong attack and got electricized, zoro/sanji/wiper and others got 30 million volts and luffy serviced 200 million volts.

do you know how hot is 30/60/100/200 million volts? I think you should focus on this too because its as important as that.

 

[Ugarik]

Sabo's fire fist scaled from old Dressrosa diameter so this calc should be removed from the list above.

 

[KobsterHope07]

guys there is something important that your missing, Enel's power destroys and electrical you, so that means they survived an strong attack and got electricized, zoro/sanji/wiper and others got 30 million volts and luffy serviced 200 million volts.
do you know how hot is 30/60/100/200 million volts? I think you should focus on this too because its as important as that.

http://www.onepiecegold.com/how-dangerous-are-enels-electrical-attacks/

 

[Damage3245]

Sabo's fire fist scaled from old Dressrosa diameter so this calc should be removed from the list above.

Ah, I didn't realize.

Would you be able to find a way or properly scaling the feat?

 

[Aerozz]

http://www.onepiecegold.com/how-dangerous-are-enels-electrical-attacks/

I mean what I read before was that 100m volts = 3000 degrees Fahrenheit so 200m = 6000 degrees Fahrenheit.

 

[Ugarik]

Ah, I didn't realize.

Would you be able to find a way or properly scaling the feat?

Yes, I would but I'm pretty sure this will be High 7-C

 

[Damage3245]

Are there any objections to ratings Enel, Zoro, Sanji and Luffy as 7-C as of the Skypiea Arc? (With Wiper being Low 7-C with Burn Bazooka, and 7-C with Reject Dial).

Determining this will let us determine a lot of ratings for the Water 7 Saga.

 

[Cmue0312]

Shouldn't Wiper also be 7-C physically as he matched Luffy? Otherwise I have no objections.

Where your calcs accepted?

 

[Stefano4444]

Are there any objections to ratings Enel, Zoro, Sanji and Luffy as 7-C as of the Skypiea Arc? (With Wiper being Low 7-C with Burn Bazooka, and 7-C with Reject Dial).

Technically we still need to properly end the discussion about Luffy's Raigo, but for the sake to not stretch this revision any further (and since at this point i know this feat isn't going to be accepted in anycase), it should be better if we just ignore it (or call it an outlier) and continue on with the rest.

But i would like to say one thing, if Crocodile's Sandstorm feat cannot scale to his standard AP then the feat should be taken as an outlier, it cannot be ranked as environment destruction or as a special technique (for reasons i have stated before), so either its valid (and does scale his AP) or its an outlier.

 

[Cmue0312]

I agree. Luffy dispersing Raigo is a massive outlier when there's 5 feats all between 1 and 12 Kilotons that seriously injure characters comparable to Luffy in the same arc. The same goes for Crocodile.

 

[Damage3245]

Shouldn't Wiper also be 7-C physically as he matched Luffy? Otherwise I have no objections.
Where your calcs accepted?

Calcs aren't accepted yet - I'd just like the discussion to be had on the assumption that they're accepted. I'll ask a calc member to review them soon.

 

[Dr.Fix]

You're over 400 posts now guys :S

 

[Damage3245]

You're over 400 posts now guys :S

Aye, I'll start up a new thread in the next couple days.

I'm pretty sure the Naruto revisions had like 15 threads before they were concluded

 

[The_Calaca]

I agree. Luffy dispersing Raigo is a massive outlier when there's 5 feats all between 1 and 12 Kilotons that seriously injure characters comparable to Luffy in the same arc. The same goes for Crocodile.

12KT coming from an attack that bypass durability and targets the organs. We can't use the RD to scale nothing but Wiper's Durability for tanking the recoil thrice like a champ (and he survived to two lightnings from Enel).

 

[Js250476]

HST battle royal but it's which one is the hardest to finish threads for

 

[Damage3245]

12KT coming from an attack that bypass durability and targets the organs. We can't use the RD to scale nothing but Wiper's Durability for tanking the recoil thrice like a champ (and he survived to two lightnings from Enel).

The Reject Dial doesn't only bypass durability; it blew apart a giant hole in the beanstalk which is where it gets its rating from.

And Enel took that to the chest (even if it did stop his heart).

 

[The_Calaca]

But what nearly killed Enel was his heart stopping not the blast itself. It's absurd to think that the blast nearly killed him.

 

[Cmue0312]

Yes and Enel's body had no major outward damage which means he could survive the AP of the blast.

Eventhough the attack still stopped his heart.

 

[Damage3245]

Yes and Enel's body had no major outward damage which means he could survive the AP of the blast.

Exactly - it's a 7-C durability feat for Enel.

 

[Cmue0312]

That's what I'm trying to explain to Calaca.

 

[Stefano4444]

Yes and Enel's body had no major outward damage which means he could survive the AP of the blast.
Eventhough the attack still stopped his heart.

Adding the fact that it does bypass durability it make the feat even more impressive.

 

[Stefano4444]

By the way Damage3245, for 7-C Skypiea Saga characters you speaking about Town level or Town level+.

 

[Damage3245]

The highest calc I made for Enel is 65.349 Kilotons which is Town level+, so I guess we should use that then.

I forgot the add the + on my sandbox.

This means characters like Blueno and Kalifa should be Town level+ for beating Sanji IIRC.

 

[Js250476]

Well the highest calc we have for Enels lighting is 96 kilotons so that's Town+

 

[Damage3245]

Well the highest calc we have for Enels lighting is 96 kilotons so that's Town+

I remade that one - it hasn't been accepted yet, but the result is a lot lower than 96 kilotons.

 

[Js250476]

Oh that was the same feat? My bad didn't realize

 

[Damage3245]

My current thoughts are that Rob Lucci should be At least Town level+ in base, higher or Large Town level with Zoan forms.

Water 7 Luffy should be At least Town level+ in base too, and Large Town level with Gear 3.

Any thoughts?

 

[The_Calaca]

Hm... Blueno tanked attacks from W7 Luffy who is 7-C+ but then Luffy outpaced and harmed Blueno even in Base Form so an At least 7-C+ for Base Luffy and Lucci might be correct.

Everyone who scales to Blueno should get the same treatment as Luffy (Jabra and Kaku).

Also I want to see Viz translation about the scene when Franky Strong Hammered Lucci without making any damage. I've a doubt about the words he used it.

 

[Damage3245]

What does the translation you're currently looking at say?

 

[The_Calaca]

I'm not sure if Lucci says "I'm five times stronger than Fukuro" or "My Doriki is five times Fukuro's".

 

[Damage3245]

He says that his "power level (doriki) is 5 times stronger than his".

 

[Stefano4444]

At least Town level+ in Base, likely Large Town level with Gear Second/Zoan Form sound better.

Since both Lucci could nearly oneshot Franky and Luffy could easily beat Blueno, each characters comparable with Luffy at the beginning of the arc, who should be Town level+.

 

[Damage3245]

Okay, that sounds fine to me.

I'll add these to the sandbox so we can cut down on the blank space left to be filled in.

 

[The_Calaca]

@Damage

Thanks.

@Stefano

Yeah, that seems correct. Also, Zoro's Asura and Sanji's DJ should get the same treatment.

Zoro's Asura is a 3x boost and if he scales to other Enel's attacks then the Large Town Level won't need the Likely.

 

[Aerozz]

omg the downplay is real dude luffy wasn't even do any damage to blueno in water 7 and after water 7 luffy hurts him badly and speed blitz him in gear second and blueno took 4-6 attacks and he was done.

how in the world ur saying he didnt get or only he got little power up which is so wrong and very downplay.

again luffy got way stronger after water 7 and lucci is 5 times blueno in base from without even using his DF.

oh my god with these downplays.

this site is funny (in a bad way) im done here ignoring facts and pull them out of your head.

 

[Damage3245]

Aerozz, you've been warned before.

If you're done here, then please leave and stop clogging this thread up with your useless complaints.

 

[Ugarik]

We need a new thread. There's almost 450 posts

 

[Damage3245]

Good point. New thread tomorrow and then we can discuss the post-Water 7 Saga ratings.