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Wait... Wtf. I thought perceiving was seeing something or able to keep track on something
This is her reacting to luffy
Isn't this perceiving?
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One Piece: Massive Speed Revision, Part 1: Pre Timeskip
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This is her reacting to luffy
Isn't this perceiving?
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did...did you just checked the scans that u sent?Not a blitz.
Not a blitz.
Not a blitz.
Not a blitz.
Not a blitz
A blitz.
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Yes.
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Everything that u sent was a blitz
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Speed Blitz
Speed Blitz is the act of one attacking their opponent before they are capable of perceiving or reacting to them. Blitzing is different than outpacing, where a character is simply faster than the other. A blitz is more like an all around outclassing in speed. One somewhat similar example of a...
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Their perception > initial reaction (like widening their eye's or having an "oh **** face") >/= Kizaru LS attack >>> proper reaction (like moving to dodge or to block, or activating their ability).
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Isn't that reaction?
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Technically.
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A regular human could widen their eyes upon someone firing a bullet toward them, but we don't say the person can react to the bullet. The same thing happens in One Piece and other anime as well, where someone will be able to raise their eyes and give a shocked expression, but we still consider it as them being speedblitzed because they're not able to properly defend themselves and show no semi-comparable feats of speed in that bout aside from the expression they give.
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Well to me... Reaction is you reacting to something that's happening, and if you don't react at all it's a blitz
It also says on the reactiong speed page
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No, when the page refers to perceiving something as being grounds for reactions, they mean something more akin to Character A and Character B fighting at high speeds, and Character C can perceive what's happening in the fight. C's reactions are on par with A's and B's.
Now if instead of the scenario above, Character A and Character B were to suddenly stop fighting, rush Character C, causing Character C to give a face of shock before being pummeled without being able to react, dodge, block, counter, etc., then Character C's reaction speed wouldn't scale to theirs.
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The difference between that example and this is that humans tend to react to people pulling the trigger, not the bullet itself, where as here they're responding (eye's widening and having shocked expressions) to Kizaru, who is the bullet himself in this case.
If we go by definitions, just widening your eye's at something occuring can be considered a reaction (even if it's a very minor one).
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That's what I've been saying for forever... And they think that's perceiving
Here brook could perceive Zoro vs Ryuma while Franky couldn't
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Even if that is a reaction, it's not one that means that a feat no longer becomes a blitz. Something that menial doesn't qualify due to:
- Being interpreted as cinematic timing.
- Not implying that they can perceive (as in being able to somewhat keep up with in terms of sight or sensory ability) the action on a level to where they'd be comparable to it.
- Not implying that they have the physical ability to react to someone.
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I'm not saying it's not a blitz cause I agree that it practically is since while Kizaru attack might not be faster than their initial reaction, he's too fast for them to properly react or respond to his attacks. It's a blitz, it's just not the highest level of blitz or an insane blitz.
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That I agree with... But what I say is... That it's not fully a blitz which to me and this site thinks is correct
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Looked through the panels again: Naw, still no way a one-off facial expression is grounds to minimize how much an individual blitzes. Kizaru was literally proceeding to stomp several people, all of whom could have started having reactions at different rates before Kizaru decided to attack them. Keep in mind, he wasn't just bodying one dude, it was several. The longer it takes for him to get to another person because he's busy fodderizing another individual = more time for the individual to begin reacting.
So in conclusion, even if they did make a change of facial expression before getting hit, it doesn't mean that they're facial reactions are faster than Kizaru.
Also, joke time: let's add FTL facial reactions to pages lol. No offense, but the thought came to me and I thought it was pretty funny.
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Also they could only react when kizaru were near them... Which would be less impressive if the could react to him from example a mile away
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Eh.
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The closest range he can reacted, the feats would be much impressive.
Also they could only react when kizaru were near them... Which would be less impressive if the could react to him from example a mile away
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No... If you react to for example a bullet thats 5m away from you, it's less impressive if you reacted to the bullet from 10m away... If you dodge a bullet that you reacted 5m away from you, it would be more impressive movement speed than if you reacted to the bullet 10m away and dodged it
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What? Do you know how to calc projectile dodging feat?
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I wasn't talking about dodging... Reread the comment (added more)
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Projectile dodging feats calc is just term, even if someone can't dodge it, their recation can be calculated with same method.
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The second feat is faster reaction speed which is how people can aim dodge and be slower than the thing their dodging.
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Please take it to someone's wall to explain to Monkey the difference between Reaction and Perception.
A third of the page should not be used to teach a concept that has nothing to do with the thread.
A third of the page should not be used to teach a concept that has nothing to do with the thread.
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Noticed something:
On Ryuma's profile it says this: Far Higher with Hanauta Sancho: Yahazu Giri
Ryuma is scaling normally to Zoro yet with that technique seems to imply he's far faster than him. Yet Zoro outsped him with Dragon Blaze which isn't a speed boosting technique.
I agree the technique does seem to be faster than Brook/Ryuma's other arsenal, and Zoro and Ryuma were shown realtive prior to the dragon blaze. This to me seems to imply that Zoro simply got faster through his reactive power level, meaning Brook and Ryuma shouldn't scale to the Zoro who performed the light dodge or sabaody feats.
On Ryuma's profile it says this: Far Higher with Hanauta Sancho: Yahazu Giri
Ryuma is scaling normally to Zoro yet with that technique seems to imply he's far faster than him. Yet Zoro outsped him with Dragon Blaze which isn't a speed boosting technique.
I agree the technique does seem to be faster than Brook/Ryuma's other arsenal, and Zoro and Ryuma were shown realtive prior to the dragon blaze. This to me seems to imply that Zoro simply got faster through his reactive power level, meaning Brook and Ryuma shouldn't scale to the Zoro who performed the light dodge or sabaody feats.
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Isn't Zoro doging the beam when he was weakened? Healthy Zoro Should be Faster tho.
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Ryuma was 2 alphabets from hitting Zoro...
You sure it's not?
Because it looks like Zoro is using his leg to move a certain way through the sky
Btw the far higher comes from these...
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Depends, this is a weird topic ngl
The feat is from the Kuma fight, where Usopp said he was tired af and it’d be risky to fight, showcased by his breathing patterns.
Heck, he was holding Shisui, a heavier sword, which would’ve made him slower.
And everyone reacted to his movements afterwards but Franky couldn’t react to his fight with Ryuma.
I think Ryuma should scale above an exhausted Zoro
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This could be a skill feat from Zoro or that technique isn't as fast as on ground
Ryuma was 2 alphabets from hitting Zoro...
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Man… I want Oda to just give us all the info on every attack and a power system or power lvl of haki… I need to stop derailing
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Any more changes to the sandbox that need to happen before I continue with my analysis?
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None at the moment
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Okay. Going to dive into the calcs now.
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Okay, the next calc I want to focus on is this one: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Zoro_vanishes_from_100_people's_line_of_sight
While the calc isn't mathematically wrong, I have issues with the assumptions behind it and the use of the 220 frames per second figure.
As detailed in this calc, we don't really use this figure anymore and I've seen it be replaced for this reason before in several other speed calcs.
These characters aren't known to possess peak human perception, and weren't in test conditions with the expectation that he would disappear.
Using 13 ms as the timeframe instead gives us Zoro's speed as 4479.23077 m/s (Mach 13.05898183673 - Hypersonic+)
I could put together a new blog post for this.
While the calc isn't mathematically wrong, I have issues with the assumptions behind it and the use of the 220 frames per second figure.
As detailed in this calc, we don't really use this figure anymore and I've seen it be replaced for this reason before in several other speed calcs.
These characters aren't known to possess peak human perception, and weren't in test conditions with the expectation that he would disappear.
Using 13 ms as the timeframe instead gives us Zoro's speed as 4479.23077 m/s (Mach 13.05898183673 - Hypersonic+)
I could put together a new blog post for this.
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To counter this point.
These guys are hundreds of ridiculously skilled trained assassins in a verse where the average human is like 10 times higher than irl people.
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That doesn't mean the average human in One Piece has ten times higher visual acuity than IRL people, or that these assassins are comparable to fighter pilots under test conditions.
I think it would be safer to switch over to the 13 ms value for timeframe.
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