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Issho matched Zoro and neither one of them could push the other back
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One Piece Lifting Strength Revision
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This seems more like a clash of them striking each other (or Zoro striking and Fujitora blocking) followed immediately by Fujitora knocking Zoro back with gravity.
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This is before Zoro overpowered the gravity and pushed Fujitora back, it's not unusual for Zoro to hold back at first (he's pretty much done it in every fight he's had in the Post-timeskip) so Fuji blocking him there isn't a real indicator that he can match Zoro.
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Okay. No problem. I will unsubscribe to this thread then.
You can inform me later if you need my help.
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bump
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I forgot about this completely, thanks for reminding me.
The thread is being held up by me, and nothing needs to be discussed, so I can close it and work on the revisions, then reopen it when I'm finished to discuss them.
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It's that time.
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How does it look so far?
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Sorry to mention you guys, but you were the main ones involved.
What here looks like it needs to be revised?
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Skimming through everything looks good except for Post-Timeskip Zoro who should scale to:
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Completely forgot about that
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Is Garp scaling to the feat linked to his justification? Because it is Class G, not Class T. We also have a newer version of the calc here. Surprised Zoro isn't scaling to Class T via breaking from Fujitora's gravity but it's whatevs.
Since Doffy's strings is possibly Class T in the sandbox, you could changed G4 Luffy's justification to breaking free from his strings.
Since Doffy's strings is possibly Class T in the sandbox, you could changed G4 Luffy's justification to breaking free from his strings.
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Oh snap I forgot about those. Thanks for informing me.
Do we have a version on our wiki for Jozu throwing the iceberg? I hate Narutoforums calcs, it'd be better to have it here.
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Can somebody explain why Fujitora holding down Zoro would be comparable to his Class T feat?
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Captain Torch did a calc here
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"shocking him by doing so"
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That still doesn't mean that Fujitora was going all out at that moment.
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It's funny how Narutoforums got class T for this. Sad then.
What'd his justification be?
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Maybe the lower bound for what "top class" means is to throw an iceberg.
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This makes 0 sense at all
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Quoting his profile "Performed a feat of this level very casually" that feat wasn't him going all out, and no else in the arc surprised him when attacking him or via bypassing his gravity like Sabo (Who bypassed his Ferocious Tiger which is actually an attack that takes effort from him)
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I'm not so sure that we'd expect to see any kind of visual effort when Fujitora isn't using his physical strength to lift up the rubble, but is using his Devil Fruit's power to do it.
Just because he also used his gravity powers to hold down Zoro doesn't mean that the feat is at the same strength. Several characters' abilities that are based on Devil Fruits have attacks that can vary massively, and likewise Fujitora's gravity shouldn't automatically be assumed to be the most powerful feat he ever displayed.
I was partially joking, but we don't have a definition given as to what "top class" arm strength means exactly. We can at least say that Jozu's feat is what counts for that.
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maybe luffy should have Class T with Gear Third for stopping Sengoku? I do not know
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Because we visually see him put effort into his other attacks besides this one, for example after using his ferocious tiger he's out of breathe and we even see a visual indicator of him being out of breathe.
Just because it's a devil fruit power doesn't mean it doesn't require physical strength/effort. For example iirc Pica gets out of breathe from using his devil fruit powers.
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The Ferocious Tiger also involves him striking with sword in conjunction with his gravity powers.
When Fujitora does his trick to compress the ground into a hole, can't we calculate how much strength it would take to press a hole into the ground? I'll do a check to see if any lifting strength calcs use that method.
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What happened to this?
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One Piece: Hajrudin Punches Machvise
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Ugarik said it is not valid since Hajrudin took too long to overpower Machvise weightWhat happened to this?
One Piece: Hajrudin Punches Machvise
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Mannn, alright
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Zunesha's profile says this
Lifting Strength: Class T by virtue of size (Has carried the minks along with a forest and country on its back for at least 1,000 years)
Via here, would this be axed?
Lifting Strength: Class T by virtue of size (Has carried the minks along with a forest and country on its back for at least 1,000 years)
Via here, would this be axed?
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Isn't that via size. Carrying an entire country and many minks on its back should be valid
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Dunno about that, it's more so where he aims his sword is the direction gravity will go; his side ways gravity he pushes his sword forward, the country lifting he lifted it upwards, against Sabo he isn't shown striking forward ultimately it's just his gravity powers.
Regardless though Sabo who could power through Fujitora's Ferocious tiger with his Logia propulsion couldn't push back Fujitora or make him react the way he did against Zoro.
I'll admit I don't know much when it comes to calcing feats but considering we don't see how far below the earth he sent Zoro then if it was calced the distance would have to be an assumption. Personally I prefer using my method through scaling over that.
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Yeah I guess
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KaidoScalesForBeingStrongerThanZuneshaGG
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Seems fine to me, although it carrying Zou should be a fine justification on its own considering it contains mountain ranges, a jungle etc on its back.
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I'll see if I could calc it.
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Wow, seriously? With all due respect man but you wanna calc zoro getting pushed into the ground? Like Really? You first talk about usopp getting hurt by a ship, then hody cracking walls, then this?? How much can you lowball man? Seriously, with all due to respect, like you're just downplaying so badly.
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Never in my life have I ever seen a more scrutinizing scaler. The amount of lowball I'm seeing is honestly making me heated. You want the most "secure" scaling, yet you proceed to lowball and just ignore other methods and metas, which are more reasonable and genuine, but you want to talk about walls being cracked, ships being thrown, and GRAVITY PUSHING SOMEONE TO THE GROUND?? Like this verse is full of TIER 7 feats, and god tier, TIER 6 feats and you wanna go around calcing tier 8-9 feats, as well as LS feats far below average.
With all due respect man, you're such a huge downplayer, and this is just how your ideology may be, but please just try to understand other metas, instead of always scrutinizing and lowballing to OBLIVION.
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I don't care. As far as I'm concerned, I'm seeing wank of a ridiculous degree. Comparing a feat on the level of this, with a feat on the level of this, and assuming they must be equal based on zero real evidence just to upgrade Zoro's lifting strength? Do you think that if you stacked all of the rubble of Dressorsa onto a huge pile that Zoro would be able to pick it up and lift it casually?
I think it's a fact that the majority of the feats of the verse are well below what you would rate them as, and the average portrayal of these characters is not as high as what you'd argue for.
Tetsuo from Akira can use telekinesis on a level powerful enough to blow a massive crater on the Moon. He can also use telekinesis to simply crush a tank. But I would not say "He must have crushed the tank with Continent levels of force because his telekinesis can be that strong." It's the same principle here. Fujitora's feat of lifting all of the rubble on Dressrosa is not a justification to backscale to every single other feat by Fujitora and say that they must be the same.
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So in return you wanna DOWNPLAY instead of using something that isn’t even wanked. Nice.
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You know this can apply with literally anything regarding scaling right? If said character put more effort into destroying that tank than the moon or the tank overpowered their telekinesis causing them to shiver and be pushed back several feet then they would scale regardless if the AoE of the gravity is smaller.
We even see with Fujitora Vs Law that Fuji is able to use his gravity on a small scale without destroying nearly anything yet still held law down from it.
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