gear 5th isn't stronger physically than g4th
With the amp of power that Hao Infusion provides, it makes the previous gap in power between Base Luffy and all his Gears, hence why all those versions of Luffy can be relative to Kaidou without any significant changes
Maybe not stronger than compressed g4 attacks but absolutely stronger than gear 4 itself, he is coated in both armament and conquerors and his rubber body is significantly stronger due to awakening, gear 5 is also capable of doing the compression.
Luffy uses conquerors with gear 4 as well as 5th gear and he is still relative to kaido. But base luffy already matched kaido, it makes no sense, basically like saying gear 5 = gear 4 = base.
I did not know that Thiller bark was a civil war
One Piece is an often imaginative and goofy series, for sure, but it does itself no favors when it repeats the same story every time Luffy and the Straw Hats visit another island.
So we missed it , at this whole time?. But wait does this mean Luffy's Attack is 4x stronger than his Durability Right?Ok, so here's how the multiplier works
Doflamingo states that Luffy is using the tensile force to raise his power several times above it's limits
For a long time, I've been very wrong about how this actually works. I always saw it with the simplicity as "Well Gear 4th: Boundman is 3-4x stronger than his previous limit of power", but that is very very wrong. What Doffy is referring to is that the COMPRESSION effect of Luffy's Gear 4th attacks, basically when he compresses his fist into itself, that's what specifically increases Luffy's power by several times. This means that the compression effect of Boundman doesn't multiply the power of Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd attacks. What it means is that it is increasing Luffy's basic Gear 4th Punches and Attacks by several times.
So we have a non-compressed Gear 4th punches and attacks, where Luffy can punch and kick without compressing his fist, and it's only when he compresses his fist, that it's power is multiplied by several times. That means every time that Luffy compresses his fist like he does in Gear 4th, he is multiplying his punches power by several times. This would be a univeral multiplier.
Now luckily for us, Luffy basically always compresses his fist and uses these attacks for scaling, so that doesn't change much in itself. But we do have one big huge factor. LUFFY USES BASIC GEAR 4TH FLEXING AND ARM MOVEMENTS TO BREAK 9 OF DOFFY'S STRINGS
This means that non-compressed basic Gear 4th punches and attacks scale to 9 Doffy Strings and would therefore scale to 1.1 Gigatons (Large Mountain level). Now when Luffy compresses his fist and releases attacks like Kong Gun, Rhino Schneider, Culverin, Leo Bazooka. etc. Luffy is multiplying his power by several times beyond that basic non-compressed Gear 4th attacks that can casually break 9 of Doffy Strings. This would mean Gear 4th Boundman's AP scales to 3.3 to 4.4 Gigatons (Large Mountain level+ to Island level).
This also majorly helps solidify the gap between Gear 4th Luffy and Ulti. Luffy was gonna use basic non-compressed Gear 4th attacks to break out of Ulti's grasp and therefore would only need the non-compressed strength against Ulti, likely meaning any compressed Gear 4th attack would have clapped Ulti's cheeks.
Now as we obviously know, Hao Infusion Base Luffy's attacks clashed evenly with Hybrid Kaidou's Hao Infusion and he obviously can use Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd to hurt Kaidou with this power as well.
But then he also stacks Gear 4th's compression effect on top of these effects with Over Kong Gun. This would make Over Kong Gun at bare minimun 3-4x stronger than the Base Hao Infusion attacks.
Now when Luffy clashes his Bajrang Gun with Kaidou's Blazing Bagua, throughout the entire clash, Luffy's fist has still not unleashed the compression effect.
And it's only in the final blow that Luffy releases the compression effect and ultimately defeats Kaidou
This means the Bajrang Gun would also be 3-4x stronger than his regular Gear 5th attacks
So yeah, that was my essay and realization of everything
We didn't miss anything. This is already how we treat the G4 multiplier on the wiki.
Okay
Wait, was this ever a question? People actually argued Zoro MISSED?
Agreed.
Double agree.
Slightly sus. Not ALWAYS stronger, I'd disagree. Upon appearing Gear Fifth's awakening was called either an "exponentional" or "far greater" increase going by the Gorosei's words. And that was used for "strength" as well.
Just a re-statement of what we already accept for Gear 4 multiplier. It isn't a multiplier of Luffy's lower forms like Gear 2 or 3, but the compressive effect of his limbs enhances the power of his punches while he's in his Gear 4 (or 5) state.
armament and conquerors, which g4th uses
He can amp himself up to that level, but his regular state isn't superior. The one getting smacked around by Kaidou isn't superior
Yup.
What I meant, yes. I mean, it's all one form. Awakening is basically Composite Luffy.
"Smacked around" is a lil' much- he was taking all the hits and either no-selling them, tanking them, or just shrugging them off. For the most part Luffy seemed to be enduring everything just fine up until the last clash where the heat was a threat.
Base G4 scales to 9 strings
So compressed attacks as of Dressrosa are 4.4 gigatons and KKG is 4x that... ok then.
That's the proposal from what I'm gathering, though personally I don't think it is as simple as that.
Yeh. 3.3 to 4.4 gigatons. Not sure which, but the general idea seems to be 3 or 4. While KKG is at least x4.
Honestly, seperating "base" gear fourth (so Gear Fourth naturally>9 strings), compressed Gear Fourth and "Strongest Attacks" seems like a safe bet.
One of the reasons for that is that the Haoshoku Infusion is not a multiplier to Luffy's abilities but an additive.
But then we'd have to also accept the fact that base Luffy still scales even without CoC Infusion, which I recall was a very controversial thing because of the G4 stack and all.
But don't we always use 3x as the lowball with "several"
Ok, why are we using a 4x minimum when we almost always use the 3x lowball for "several"?
You divide my love for Sanji’s character by 50 everyday
Why lmao
