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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

I have a Question with Luffy Justification
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Large Mountain level with Gear 4th: Boundman (Just by transforming, he broke 9 of Doflamingo's strings, which are each this durable, and should be superior to the combined durability of 9 strings. At least 4x stronger than Gear 2nd. Far superior to Gear 3rd. Fought and overwhelmed Doflamingo), far higher with Strongest Attacks (At least 4x stronger than Gear 3rd.
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I little bit Confused why does gear4 is 4 Times stronger than gear2nd and Far superior to Gear3rd?
Is this mean Gear4th >>>>Gear2nd> Gear3d and later soon it stated KKG is 4 Times stronger than Gear3rd which is doesn't make any sense.

Somebody please explain.
 
WrongIdea21 said:
I have a Question with Luffy Justification
On the profile wrote

I little bit Confused why does gear4 is 4 Times stronger than gear2nd and Far superior to Gear3rd?
Is this mean Gear4th >>>>Gear2nd> Gear3d and later soon it stated KKG is 4 Times stronger than Gear3rd which is doesn't make any sense.

Somebody please explain.
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What tickles me is the fact that it isn't just 6-C with strongest attacks. Because a "AT LEAST" x4 from G3 is hitting island level
 
Veloxt1r0kore said:
Thought?
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Regardless, the fact that there is no war on the island that Luffy and his crew don't have to resolve makes the hated Long Ring Long Land arc probably one of the major highlights of the manga itself.
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Lost me.

Alabasta had a mini war caused by a dude who used war as a smokescreen for terrorism.
Jaya, no war, no big bad terrorizing the island.
Skypiea had an actual war.
Water 7, no war, no big bad terrorizing the island.
Enies Lobby, no war, no big bad terrorizing the island.
Thriller Bark, no war, no big bad terrorizing the island, it was deadass an island commanded and fully populated by a goofball.
Sabaody, lmao.
Amazon Lily was solid.
Impel Down... what?
Marineford was literally an arc solely for a war.
Luffy's backstory, no war.
Fishman Island, no war, just a bitter fish who got one shot.
Punk Hazard, no war, barely any people, nothing.
Dressrosa, everyone lived in a twisted harmony.
Zou, everyone was united.
WCI, read Dressrosa.
Wano, alright.


nearly every island that Luffy and his crew land on is beset by war or some major conflict that they must always resolve
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War? No.
Conflict? Every damn story needs conflict. Major conflict though, no.
 
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Man I remember back when CinCam used to crap on the idea that anyone in the strawhats other than Luffy would do anything to the Yonko, and that Doffy would do sort of well against Kaido. Interesting times.
 
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New episode came out:
Better.

Confirmed timeframe for dragon blaze and Kaido dodging is also confirmed.
 
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One Piece Anime Episode 1017 also confirmed these very important scaling things

Red Roc and Kong Rifle had Buso Durability Negation

Kong Gun, Rhino Schnider, and Kong Gatling did not

This means Early Raid Gear 4th: Boundman Luffy can in fact hurt Kaidou with regular AP strikes and does scale to Zoan Kaidou
 
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SnookB said:
What tickles me is the fact that it isn't just 6-C with strongest attacks. Because a "AT LEAST" x4 from G3 is hitting island level
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Some scaling just weird and doesn't make any sense, I don't contribute to any Dressrossa scaling because something bad happened in a structured way, but somehow the explanation on Luffy's profile shouldn't be confusing, Like I did Confused on the Justification above.
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
One Piece Anime Episode 1017 also confirmed these very important scaling things

Red Roc and Kong Rifle had Buso Durability Negation

Kong Gun, Rhino Schnider, and Kong Gatling did not

This means Early Raid Gear 4th: Boundman Luffy can in fact hurt Kaidou with regular AP strikes and does scale to Zoan Kaidou
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The last thing I put my trust in the anime is aura consistency though lmao
 
WrongIdea21 said:
I have a Question with Luffy Justification
On the profile wrote

I little bit Confused why does gear4 is 4 Times stronger than gear2nd
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Gear 4th has a multiplier which is stronger than its base attacks prior to his arm expanding.
His base attacks are stronger than his Gear 2nd hits.
So 4x base attacks
Base attacks > gear 2nd
WrongIdea21 said:
and Far superior to Gear3rd?
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Because it's much stronger than gear 3rd
WrongIdea21 said:
Is this mean Gear4th >>>>Gear2nd> Gear3d
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Idk how you got this but no
WrongIdea21 said:
and later soon it stated KKG is 4 Times stronger than Gear3rd which is doesn't make any sense.
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Never says this, something we pulled
WrongIdea21 said:
Somebody please explain.
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Gomu Gomu no Massage hitting kaido with that chiropractic treatment at the end was flashy nonetheless, Kaido gon wake up thanking him and everything.
 
KingTempest said:
Gear 4th has a multiplier which is stronger than its base attacks prior to his arm expanding.
His base attacks are stronger than his Gear 2nd hits.
So 4x base attacks
Base attacks > gear 2nd
Because it's much stronger than gear 3rd
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KingTempest said:
Idk how you got this but no
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Far Superior than Gear 3rd but only 4x stronger than Gear 2nd? Doesn't make any sense, 4x stronger Isn't far, but Far Superior is more than 4x.
So if Gear 4th is 4x stronger than Gear 2nd then Gear 3rd shouldn't Far lower than Gear4th.
Example if Gear 2nd is 1 Gigaton and Gear 4th is 4 Gigatons then Gear 3rd is around 2 or 3 Gigatons not Far lower than Gear4th.

KingTempest said:
Never says this, something we pulled
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It doesn't Make sense because explanation Above, which if KKG is 4.05 Gigatons and Gear3rd is 4x lower it means Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd had same AP which is 1 Gigatons.
 
Kurifesilon said:
The last thing I put my trust in the anime is aura consistency though lmao
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There's no aura for those attacks AT ALL tho, and whenever Luffy uses Buso Emission in the Anime, we get the same orange aura consistently

Plus I already believed Luffy wasn't using Buso Emission for some of these attacks, the Anime just confirmed it

Beginning of Raid Gear 4th: Boundman Luffy irefutably scales to Zoan Form Kaidou now, he drew blood with direct normal blows
 
WrongIdea21 said:
Far Superior than Gear 3rd but only 4x stronger than Gear 2nd? Doesn't make any sense, 4x stronger Isn't far, but Far Superior is more than 4x.
So if Gear 4th is 4x stronger than Gear 2nd then Gear 3rd shouldn't Far lower than Gear4th.
Example if Gear 2nd is 1 Gigaton and Gear 4th is 4 Gigatons then Gear 3rd is around 2 or 3 Gigatons not Far lower than Gear4th.


It doesn't Make sense because explanation Above, which if KKG is 4.05 Gigatons and Gear3rd is 4x lower it means Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd had same AP which is 1 Gigatons.
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far superior doesnt have a numerical value.
Someone can have a 2 teraton attack, and say "far superior with this". We'll still say it's scaling over 2 teratons.

also
it says "at least 4x". which means "4x or more". it can be 4, it can be 20, it can be 300. it's just higher than 4
 
KingTempest said:
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far superior doesnt have a numerical value.
Someone can have a 2 teraton attack, and say "far superior with this". We'll still say it's scaling over 2 teratons.

also
it says "at least 4x". which means "4x or more". it can be 4, it can be 20, it can be 300. it's just higher than 4
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Far mean not Close, between 1 and 4 is 2 and 3 that's so close gap not Far at all. Why does you have to say Far if the gap is only 1 or 2 in it ?. I'm 4 meters Away from you Isn't Far let alone being in between.
 
I have a complete new understanding of the "Raises his power several times beyond its limit" multiplier

And let me tell y'all this, it changes so much
 
Ok, so here's how the multiplier works

Doflamingo states that Luffy is using the tensile force to raise his power several times above it's limits
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For a long time, I've been very wrong about how this actually works. I always saw it with the simplicity as "Well Gear 4th: Boundman is 3-4x stronger than his previous limit of power", but that is very very wrong. What Doffy is referring to is that the COMPRESSION effect of Luffy's Gear 4th attacks, basically when he compresses his fist into itself, that's what specifically increases Luffy's power by several times. This means that the compression effect of Boundman doesn't multiply the power of Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd attacks. What it means is that it is increasing Luffy's basic Gear 4th Punches and Attacks by several times.

So we have a non-compressed Gear 4th punches and attacks, where Luffy can punch and kick without compressing his fist, and it's only when he compresses his fist, that it's power is multiplied by several times. That means every time that Luffy compresses his fist like he does in Gear 4th, he is multiplying his punches power by several times. This would be a univeral multiplier.

Now luckily for us, Luffy basically always compresses his fist and uses these attacks for scaling, so that doesn't change much in itself. But we do have one big huge factor. LUFFY USES BASIC GEAR 4TH FLEXING AND ARM MOVEMENTS TO BREAK 9 OF DOFFY'S STRINGS
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This means that non-compressed basic Gear 4th punches and attacks scale to 9 Doffy Strings and would therefore scale to 1.1 Gigatons (Large Mountain level). Now when Luffy compresses his fist and releases attacks like Kong Gun, Rhino Schneider, Culverin, Leo Bazooka. etc. Luffy is multiplying his power by several times beyond that basic non-compressed Gear 4th attacks that can casually break 9 of Doffy Strings. This would mean Gear 4th Boundman's AP scales to 3.3 to 4.4 Gigatons (Large Mountain level+ to Island level).

This also majorly helps solidify the gap between Gear 4th Luffy and Ulti. Luffy was gonna use basic non-compressed Gear 4th attacks to break out of Ulti's grasp and therefore would only need the non-compressed strength against Ulti, likely meaning any compressed Gear 4th attack would have clapped Ulti's cheeks.

Now as we obviously know, Hao Infusion Base Luffy's attacks clashed evenly with Hybrid Kaidou's Hao Infusion and he obviously can use Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd to hurt Kaidou with this power as well.
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But then he also stacks Gear 4th's compression effect on top of these effects with Over Kong Gun. This would make Over Kong Gun at bare minimun 3-4x stronger than the Base Hao Infusion attacks.
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Now when Luffy clashes his Bajrang Gun with Kaidou's Blazing Bagua, throughout the entire clash, Luffy's fist has still not unleashed the compression effect.
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And it's only in the final blow that Luffy releases the compression effect and ultimately defeats Kaidou
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This means the Bajrang Gun would also be 3-4x stronger than his regular Gear 5th attacks

So yeah, that was my essay and realization of everything
 
Me: Yo Mitch you know the G4th multiplier is talking about the amp from his compressed G4th punches to his expanded ones right?
Mitch:
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Ok, so here's how the multiplier works

Doflamingo states that Luffy is using the tensile force to raise his power several times above it's limits
pvRkKan.jpg

For a long time, I've been very wrong about how this actually works. I always saw it with the simplicity as "Well Gear 4th: Boundman is 3-4x stronger than his previous limit of power", but that is very very wrong. What Doffy is referring to is that the COMPRESSION effect of Luffy's Gear 4th attacks, basically when he compresses his fist into itself, that's what specifically increases Luffy's power by several times. This means that the compression effect of Boundman doesn't multiply the power of Gear 2nd or Gear 3rd attacks. What it means is that it is increasing Luffy's basic Gear 4th Punches and Attacks by several times.

So we have a non-compressed Gear 4th punches and attacks, where Luffy can punch and kick without compressing his fist, and it's only when he compresses his fist, that it's power is multiplied by several times. That means every time that Luffy compresses his fist like he does in Gear 4th, he is multiplying his punches power by several times. This would be a univeral multiplier.

Now luckily for us, Luffy basically always compresses his fist and uses these attacks for scaling, so that doesn't change much in itself. But we do have one big huge factor. LUFFY USES BASIC GEAR 4TH FLEXING AND ARM MOVEMENTS TO BREAK 9 OF DOFFY'S STRINGS
eOuekvC.jpg

This means that non-compressed basic Gear 4th punches and attacks scale to 9 Doffy Strings and would therefore scale to 1.1 Gigatons (Large Mountain level). Now when Luffy compresses his fist and releases attacks like Kong Gun, Rhino Schneider, Culverin, Leo Bazooka. etc. Luffy is multiplying his power by several times beyond that basic non-compressed Gear 4th attacks that can casually break 9 of Doffy Strings. This would mean Gear 4th Boundman's AP scales to 3.3 to 4.4 Gigatons (Large Mountain level+ to Island level).

This also majorly helps solidify the gap between Gear 4th Luffy and Ulti. Luffy was gonna use basic non-compressed Gear 4th attacks to break out of Ulti's grasp and therefore would only need the non-compressed strength against Ulti, likely meaning any compressed Gear 4th attack would have clapped Ulti's cheeks.

Now as we obviously know, Hao Infusion Base Luffy's attacks clashed evenly with Hybrid Kaidou's Hao Infusion and he obviously can use Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd to hurt Kaidou with this power as well.
x27lH2b.jpg

But then he also stacks Gear 4th's compression effect on top of these effects with Over Kong Gun. This would make Over Kong Gun at bare minimun 3-4x stronger than the Base Hao Infusion attacks.
VLnVb6I.jpg

Now when Luffy clashes his Bajrang Gun with Kaidou's Blazing Bagua, throughout the entire clash, Luffy's fist has still not unleashed the compression effect.
uT6FGSW.jpg


qHtt9Vd.jpg

45K2Olh.jpg

iam7qwr.jpg

And it's only in the final blow that Luffy releases the compression effect and ultimately defeats Kaidou
pDM85Ig.jpg

This means the Bajrang Gun would also be 3-4x stronger than his regular Gear 5th attacks

So yeah, that was my essay and realization of everything
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I swear this is how it happened
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Now as we obviously know, Hao Infusion Base Luffy's attacks clashed evenly with Hybrid Kaidou's Hao Infusion and he obviously can use Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd to hurt Kaidou with this power as well.
x27lH2b.jpg

But then he also stacks Gear 4th's compression effect on top of these effects with Over Kong Gun. This would make Over Kong Gun at bare minimun 3-4x stronger than the Base Hao Infusion attacks.
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This makes no sense. How can base CoC luffy match hybrid CoC kaido but kaido is still stronger in the same form vs gear 4 because he can keep up with gear 5 luffy?
 
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