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I didn't say Kid broke her arm, I agree that was Law. Kid broke her ribs as that's where he struck her.
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One Piece General Discussion: Egghead
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I have a question. If we have Katakuri scale above Perospero, who scales to base Nekomamushi, who downscales from Jake, who can take hits from Sulong Inu + Sulong Neko, who scale to 1/4 Kaido's value, would Oven's durability in turn scale as well?
Katakuri > Perospero
Perospero ~ Base Neko
Base Neko =< Jack
Jack =< Sulong Neko + Sulong Inu
Sulong Inu ~ 1/4 Kaido's Value
Katakuri =< 1/4 Kaido's Value
Oven's dura > Katakuri's dura
Katakuri > Perospero
Perospero ~ Base Neko
Base Neko =< Jack
Jack =< Sulong Neko + Sulong Inu
Sulong Inu ~ 1/4 Kaido's Value
Katakuri =< 1/4 Kaido's Value
Oven's dura > Katakuri's dura
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I'm kinda skeptical on that to be honest.
After Law's shockwave, we see Big Mom's arm, and it's still normal:
After attempting to block Corna Dio with that arm, that's when it bends:
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Didn't look like she tried to block it- her arms were wide open.
Kidd broke her ribs, like Emin said. But the arm break was Law. Not that it makes much difference considering damage is damage and broken bones are broken bones but still-
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Are we scaling characters that only appear to WCI to Wano feats? wouldn't that cause issues in the scaling chain?
I assume Perospero is just going to get a "Wano" Key, which Katakuri wouldn't scale above until he appears again.
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I mean true, but we kinda clearly see that her arm isn't broken after Law's attack, and only was after Kidd's...
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That makes sense.
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Temporarily yes. But it's hard arguing for a featless character tbh. At least when it comes to this arc
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Seems like it would be better if removed Oven scaling to Katakuri.
Things are going to get really weird if we end up having base Sanji, Doflamingo, Capone and others all being a quarter of Kaido.
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What even is it with Oven scaling to/over Katakuri anyway?
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His justification is: "Stated to have the most naturally robust body throughout all the Big Mom Pirates excluding his mother, which puts him above Katakuri and Cracker"
It's a databook thing.
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This isn't entirely accurate
Sulong Inu alone isn't equal to 1/4 of Kaidou, Sulong Inu with Oden Nitoryu and Buso Haki is 1/4 of Kaidou
Something he didn't use against Jack
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Robust body:" Evincing strength; indicating vigorous health "
Wouldn't that be along the lines of him having higher stamina/LS/Endurance than direct durability? More or less similiar to Ulti in that sense
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That's what I would think.
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The statement should only apply to the Big Mom pirates at the time of WCI, as the durability of individuals could easily change.
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Yeah uh,
6-B Oven durability would be taking the scaling a bit too far IMHO. He could be more durable in WCI but like Kachon said, Dura can easily change.
Plus that would lead to way too many 6-B's walking around tbh, ngl. Many. many people would be scaling despite never displaying feats anywhere close to that level or being shown to damage a yonko at all.
6-B Oven durability would be taking the scaling a bit too far IMHO. He could be more durable in WCI but like Kachon said, Dura can easily change.
Plus that would lead to way too many 6-B's walking around tbh, ngl. Many. many people would be scaling despite never displaying feats anywhere close to that level or being shown to damage a yonko at all.
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I agree with Oven being excluded, since that would put Vinsmoke Ichigi at 6-B which makes zero sense.
The main question to me at least is how does Perospero scale, since it's pretty clear that WCI Katakuri >> Wano Perospero going by the statements of Daifuku.
Also, speaking of, shouldn't Perospero as of WCI scale to being comparable to Oven and Daifuku? After all, it was stated that he, Oven, Daifuku, and Compote were Big Mom's four "monsters" who were just below the level of the commanders.
The main question to me at least is how does Perospero scale, since it's pretty clear that WCI Katakuri >> Wano Perospero going by the statements of Daifuku.
Also, speaking of, shouldn't Perospero as of WCI scale to being comparable to Oven and Daifuku? After all, it was stated that he, Oven, Daifuku, and Compote were Big Mom's four "monsters" who were just below the level of the commanders.
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That was never stated.
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I personally do. Oven is criminally underrated. He only lost to people who could overhwhelm him with speed, but he just came back up. He's basically a Zoan.
He has the AP, Dura, Stamina, Endurance, Haki, and Ability to contend with high tier fighters in WCI. Though Luffy would obviously beat him, I don't see him going down from regular Gear 4 attacks easily.
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There was talk of Diable Sanji being equal/comparable to Gear 3 Luffy, as them together could neutralize BM's attack, and Diable was stated to be stronger than Gear 2.
Oven could get up rather quickly from Base Sanji, which means its not that far-fetched to say that he could be near Diable AP and Dura.
Also, Katakuri is weaker and less durable than Gear 4 Bounceman Luffy. Gear 3 Luffy clashed with Power Mochi Awakening Katakuri to a standstill.
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Oven with an ancient Zoan fruit would be crazy fr fr lol.
Imagine Oven's natural tankyness and durability combined with Ulti's insane recovery time and endurance. He'd be like, unstoppable to everyone aside from people who heavily out stat him.
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Wasn't that debunked since BM was not aiming that punch at them?
Debateable
Kata still took hits from G3 Luffy (who was equal in AP to him) and Snakeman (who should be at least comparable if not above G3) and tanked through a lot of those hits.
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It wasn't stated
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My bad, when I was checking the wiki to see which chapter the statement was (chapter 861), they said that they were nearly on the level of the commanders, so that must've been a wiki error.
But still, Perospero was still portrayed as on the same level as Daifuku and Oven.
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Then why wasn't the CRT on this accepted?Oda said that Luffy and Sanji's attack neutralized the attack in SBS Volume 94:
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I don't know what CRT you're referring to.
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Yeah that error has been there for a while.
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wasn't it because of a scaling inconsistency?
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Cuz Sanji hit a woman
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Injured Base Neko and Base Inu<Hybrid Jack<Sulong Neko and Sulong Inu<<<Sulong Inu with Buso Emission and Oden Nitoryu (1/4 of Kaidou)
Jack does not scale to 1/4 of Kaidou at all, he scales far below someone who is 1/4 of Kaidou
Jack does not scale to 1/4 of Kaidou at all, he scales far below someone who is 1/4 of Kaidou
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Even though this hurts Perospero scaling, I don't mind because Jack is a loser lol.
Seriously, he sucks. Not even a good "bad" character, he just sucks.
But Sulong Neko and Inu would backscale to Baseline 6-B (7 teratons), while Perospero would likely scale to Low 6-B+ (4 teratons).
But regardless, Perospero should be comparable to Oven and Daifuku, since they were considered in the same league.
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Meanwhile i'm still waiting for Oda to referencing Metallica and Iron Maiden for Kidd techniques
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Is this Jojo reference?
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But seriously Punk Corna Dio is literally referencing Ronnie James Dio, therefore making this technique a Jojo reference as well
And some of his attacks also referencing Sex Pistols
