Except we do. You literally have the SFX of his heartbeat stopping. Kaido WAITED until he heard that then declared him dead.
I think everybody else's issue is that it was 100% certain he was dead. He just... stopped being dead
Objectively, we can say that everyone present with Haki thought that he was dead. So it's either possible that he was 100% dead, zero brain activity, zero pulse, his soul has left the building, etc.
This is a far, far bigger assumption than what the canon actually shows/tells us. His voice wouldn't go out if he was "almost" dead. Haki is based on the SPIRIT of a user. His spirit literally turned off is what the equivalent of "his voice disappeared" is. If his brain or vitals turned off his soul would likely still be strong without a doubt (considering his unconscious use of haoshoku)
He says he was "CERTAIN" Luffy was dead. Not thought.
The difference is that Haki doesn't get tricked by "close to death". A voice being gone means that a person is dead. That isn't up for debate.
I recall Aisa also saying voices were fading and disappearing while Enel was destroying skypiea.
You know better than me that Luffy saying "I was dying before this" is him trying to rationalize the fact that he didn't even know what was happening to his body.
"Dying"
This means he was in the process of dying, but not fully dead
That's why I say "Possible"
Yet his own words the same chapter contradict that line because he agrees that he was FULLY dead when Kaido says "I was certain that you were dead".
I'll throw you on the vote for likely
Question, isn’t this just NPI? Being able to touch lightning isn’t Lightning manip, just a form of NPI. The other justification is fine.
Agreed. Luffy isn't actually manipulating lightning here, just throwing it.
NPI was always a Luffy thing when it comes to electricity, but now he can also rubberize it.
His voice was fading again when he let G5 dropin 1045, then restartedthe "drum" and went right back into it. Seems like everytime his heart stops or is about to stop he just restarts it and goes back to top shape combat wise
Him throwing lightning at you is electricity manip.
restarting a slowing heart isn't grounds for resurrection, seeing as Momo only says his "voice is dying out" so he was wasn't actually dead.
Dude, we're not talking about that, we're talking about a chapter prior when his heart was completely done
This is like saying that because a human can throw a rock at you, a human has earth manip
A chapter prior his heart stopped entirely and voice FULLY disappeared and he ressurected.
He not only changes the lightning's shape altogether when throwing it (where it gets zig-zaggy and comical-like) but can force a lightning bolt mid-strike to stop, grab it, twist around it and shoot off it like it's a rubber wall
In that case he gets "limited" ressurection if he can do it only ONCE a battle.
I have to agree with this.
Honestly, I do agree.
We never said it's a thing that he can just do over and over. We just said that he died before, and he revived, so he can get resurrection.
That's fair
What about this
Yeah i never said he SHOULDN'T get revival, just that it should be limited, or if that doesn't fit the bill i wouldn't mind a specification of it being a one time thing.
100% and what i was vying for the whole time. Glad we see eye to eye and this won't devolve into a long drawn out argument.
we should get someone knowledgeable on the matter to answer because i highkey have 0 clue whether specifying its a one time use and that we do not know if he could do it again but keeping a likely rating, or merely calling it likely limited ress is the way to go
Fine with it being stamina manip, just peep the fact that him doing it is extremely risky and could have killed him when listing it under P&A
So far full resurrection is winning
