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One Piece: Early Post-Timeskip and God Tiers AP Revision
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Since option C has been overruled, @GodlyCharmander , can you add my vote to option B?
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Let's calc with a different method
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I did that already.
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I looked in the manga and haven't found the Red Hawk statement is a dura neg
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We accept it as dura neg on this wiki, so let's not
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@GodlyCharmander
Look, I know I've been a pain in the past, but can you please add me down for Option B as well?
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I'll do it since yall want yall names up there for decoration
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Wouldn't WCI first Kata fight G2nd Luffy scale to Katakuri's AP?
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Why?
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Let me explain for the people in the back.
So basically we accept that over the teaparty, people (Sanji) got stronger.
Luffy's Gear 2nd (during the teaparty) matched Katakuri's wannabe jet gatling
If Kata's superior to a Cracker soldier who's pre teaparty G3rd level, wouldn't G2nd (as of the teaparty) be relative?
REVISED THOUGHT PROCESS
Don't scale Katakuri's regular attacks to the amped Cracker Soldier
GodlyCharmander
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What is Katakuri's New AP then?Let me explain for the people in the back.
So basically we accept that over the teaparty, people (Sanji) got stronger.
Luffy's Gear 2nd (during the teaparty) matched Katakuri's wannabe jet gatling
If Kata's superior to a Cracker soldier who's pre teaparty G3rd level, wouldn't G2nd (as of the teaparty) be relative?
REVISED THOUGHT PROCESS
Don't scale Katakuri's regular attacks to the amped Cracker Soldier
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Ykw, I can't mess up Kata's entire scaling because of that.
Cause even if we disconnect that, he still scales off of Smoothie, who gets that in advance
I guess that's just an outlier for Luffy. My bad
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We can just scale post-Kata G2 Luffy to that, right?
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no, because it's a 1st fight feat
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Oh yeah, I forgot how ******* LONG that whole fight was.
Yeah, that shit's an outlier then, especially since Kata didn't seem to be nearly as serious as G2 Luffy.
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New scaling chains for the executives and grand fleet
Franky scales superior to his previous key
Senor Pink and Franky are equals for obvious reasons (they 1v1'd)
Machvise can hurt Franky (cracks in the ground signify that Machvise tried to fall on him)
Dellinger can hurt Machvise
Hajrudin can hurt Machvise
Ideo faced off against Dellinger. Slightly bruised him and took many hits from him, although noticeably inferior
Ideo and Sai matched each other
Sai and Baby 5 matched each other and left bruises on each other
Gladius casually hurts Baby 5
Chinjao and Elizabello II can both badly damage Pica's stone fist, and much weaker attacks could hurt Baby 5
Chinjao also took an explosive from Gladius
Lao G can hurt Chinjao, and Chinjao can fight him back
I'll tackle some more soon
Franky scales superior to his previous key
Senor Pink and Franky are equals for obvious reasons (they 1v1'd)
Machvise can hurt Franky (cracks in the ground signify that Machvise tried to fall on him)
Dellinger can hurt Machvise
Hajrudin can hurt Machvise
Ideo faced off against Dellinger. Slightly bruised him and took many hits from him, although noticeably inferior
Ideo and Sai matched each other
Sai and Baby 5 matched each other and left bruises on each other
Gladius casually hurts Baby 5
Chinjao and Elizabello II can both badly damage Pica's stone fist, and much weaker attacks could hurt Baby 5
Chinjao also took an explosive from Gladius
Lao G can hurt Chinjao, and Chinjao can fight him back
I'll tackle some more soon
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Gladius is implied to be capable of hurting Cavendish, Bartolomeo, and Robin. Supported, when he hurt Bartolomeo.
Cavendish and Robin scale to G2nd Luffy
So a scaling chain can be developed from that point.
Instead of scaling Gladius directly to G2nd Luffy, which makes some issues because G2nd Luffy is directly shown to be superior to him, Gladius' durability can downscale.
Gladius' AP can scale off of Bartolomeo's Dura for being implied to hurt him (and then hurting him later), and then the scaling chain can form from there.
Since they have more consistent feats of this level, Sai backscaling from Chinjao for withstanding his punch before can also work.
Backscaling happens with
Gladius' Dura < G2nd Luffy's AP
Sai's Dura <Early Dressrosa Chinjao's AP G2nd Luffy's AP
Post-Col Chinjao's AP and Dura < Pre-Col Chinjao AP and Dura
Ideo's Dura < Dellinger's Dura
They scale to baseline Island level
Senor Pink ~ Franky ~ Machvise ~ Dellinger
Dellinger ≥ Ideo
Ideo ~ Sai ~ Baby 5 < Gladius' AP
Post-Col Chinjao's Dura < Lao G's AP
Elizabello II and Post-Col Chinjao's AP > Pica's Golem > Baby 5
Cavendish and Robin scale to G2nd Luffy
So a scaling chain can be developed from that point.
Instead of scaling Gladius directly to G2nd Luffy, which makes some issues because G2nd Luffy is directly shown to be superior to him, Gladius' durability can downscale.
Gladius' AP can scale off of Bartolomeo's Dura for being implied to hurt him (and then hurting him later), and then the scaling chain can form from there.
Since they have more consistent feats of this level, Sai backscaling from Chinjao for withstanding his punch before can also work.
Backscaling happens with
Gladius' Dura < G2nd Luffy's AP
Sai's Dura <
Post-Col Chinjao's AP and Dura < Pre-Col Chinjao AP and Dura
Ideo's Dura < Dellinger's Dura
They scale to baseline Island level
Senor Pink ~ Franky ~ Machvise ~ Dellinger
Dellinger ≥ Ideo
Ideo ~ Sai ~ Baby 5 < Gladius' AP
Post-Col Chinjao's Dura < Lao G's AP
Elizabello II and Post-Col Chinjao's AP > Pica's Golem > Baby 5
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1. So will Gladius's durability backscale to Baseline 6-C?
2. So will General Franky (aka Franky Shogun) scale above Baby 5 due to kinda stomping her on Punk Hazard?
3. What does Pica's Golem scale to? Since Charmander said G3 Luffy broke the statue.
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Change this to
1.198 Petatons (6-A)
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This calc works for V2
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OH. Well, it's good to see more than one God Tier hit a 6-A feat then
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I updated the OP.
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So are we waiting on anything else to actually apply the changes to the profiles?
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Sandbox is being put together I think
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Sandbox is being put together which will require a final analysis and evaluation.
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Oh yeah
We can scale Pedro relative Oven for parrying his attack. He also scales to Katakuri's striking, read below for that scaling.
Oven's durability scales above Katakuri's Durability. Sanji scales to that, Daifuku scales to that, and Kata's regular AP scale to that.
On top of that, Perospero scales to Pedro.
Smoothie scales above these people for obvious reasons.
Ichiji and Yonji scale due Yonji > Ichiji's Pure Striking > Perospero's Dura ~ Perospero's AP
I think Katakuri should backscale from G4th though, since he was getting knocked around.
Don't think he should scale directly to him, especially when he was coughing up blood.
This scales to a lot of people.
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Awakened Katakuri scales to it though, right? He restrained G4 Luffy when Doffy's strings couldn't, and hit him with basically the hardest hit we've seen G4 take with Power Mochi
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No he scales fully with Awakening, it's just his durability which I disagree with
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I've pretty much finished the sandbox, but it's missing some profiles.
I've lost my computer while making the sandbox, so KingTempest will finish it. He will be posting it here whenever he does so.
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Scaling chain for my last message
Awakened Kata's AP ≥ Gear 4th's AP ~ Cracker's AP
52.15 Gigatons ~ Kata's Dura < G4th's AP ~ 65.39 Gigatons
52.15 Gigatons ~ Kata's Dura < Oven's Dura ~ Sanji's AP ~ Daifuku's AP < Kata's Regular AP ~ Pedro's AP < Perospero's AP < Smoothie's AP
That's that
Awakened Kata's AP ≥ Gear 4th's AP ~ Cracker's AP
52.15 Gigatons ~ Kata's Dura < G4th's AP ~ 65.39 Gigatons
52.15 Gigatons ~ Kata's Dura < Oven's Dura ~ Sanji's AP ~ Daifuku's AP < Kata's Regular AP ~ Pedro's AP < Perospero's AP < Smoothie's AP
That's that
Thanks for permission
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1. Why is Chopper's Monster Point on par with Gear 3rd?
2. I know Doffy w/ Buso is 6-C+, but what is his AP without Buso Haki? That could be important for Zoro scaling (not to mention G2+3 Luffy).
3. Perospero's AP in your above post was >52.15 gigatons, but what about his durability? Especially that of the candy wall.
4. If I'm reading correctly, since Perospero is >52.15 gigatons, the Vinsmoke Siblings will also be this as well?
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He's not
6-C+
Dude. Just say "they scale via Issho". Simple.
The same
Considering it
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In your scaling chart MP Chopper scales to 7.57 gigatons, the same as G3.
So do Ittoryu Zoro and Gear 2+3 Luffy scale above this?
Ok, just curious.
I mean the only issue is, as someone pointed out, Sanji without restraints wrecked 2 of his brothers at once, but that wasn't when they were serious and they weren't in battle
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Wasn't this discussed in a past thread that Oven's statement about a robust body refers to endurance etc rather than raw durability?
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