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At least when it came to the initial kong gun the actual part of his body that was defending with buso koka wasn't harmed, it was mainly his undefended body that took the damage.
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One Piece: Early Post-Timeskip and God Tiers AP Revision
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Ykw, he's capable of doing that at 30 GT
He'll scale to the 30 off of Luffy's dura
He'll scale to the 30 off of Luffy's dura
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I think it's more of an art error since that's the case in original manga as well, I think it was intentional for his buso guard to only have one hand imbued with Koka.
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The anime has both his arms coated too, though. I think the error is the fact that the coloration/artist forgot to highlight the second arm in one panel but had both black in the next. It's consistent with the anime as well
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Yeah. Plus it makes a bit more sense that Doflamingo would harden both arms that he's blocking with instead of just hardening one.
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I don't know about the anime, but the original & colored manga only ever has one arm coated with koka in all panels, this was never corrected in the manga.
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It was technically corrected two panels later
There's no reason to draw it in after if he wasn't meant to use it on both arms
Could be either or, though. It's the same with Katakuri coating both arms to block G4 as well
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Agreed, it's only a half power difference so it's a logical gap considering he tanked a lot of G4 hits without Buso
Then Ittoryu Zoro and Gear 2+3 Luffy will scale above Doffy via the current Issho scaling, right?
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Check out his other arm, the koka switched places.
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Uh I proposed that in a CRT a short while back and it was rejected
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No, that's no longer consistent with their other showings.
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What do you mean?
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I proposed that scaling originally as their other feats were close and could be justified at that level, that is no longer the case with the new scaling. Zoro shouldn't be stronger than Doffy with just ittoryu nor is Gear 3rd + 2nd.
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I still see a hint of shading on that one too- though it could be from Luffy's own fist than armament.
Hard to tell in a black and white manga tbh- that's why I used the anime since it's sometimes secondary canon
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I missed that fist entirely because of my circle obscuring it-No Koka
Fair enough.
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Even Oda makes art mistakes sometimes, unfortunately.
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That's either a mistake, or Doffy is just insane.
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Anime should clarify this then. Although making a mistake in the exact same page is wild.
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The anime has Doffy using it on both hands- so idk if the manga's got an error or if the anime contradicts the one-hand Koka
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I mean. We think it's a mistake due to incredulity and insanity of switching Koka while you're being hit for no reason, but who knows, Doffy might be just nuts.
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Ehhh, I disagree with this.
I personally think scaling Ittoryu Zoro and Gear 3rd +2nd above 30 GT is fine, especially since Issho took them somewhat seriously (and this was the same Issho who easily beat Law).
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The same Zoro getting pushed back by golem pica.
Issho didn't take them seriously at all
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I don't think it seems very realistic for 1 sword no Haki Zoro to be stronger than Doflamingo, when Pica could clash against 2 swords Zoro.
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Ok that's fair.
I just didn't remember Zoro somewhat struggling in the Pica fight, although I thought we would've just scaled Pica above Hyouzou (kinda like what we're already doing).
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Don't agree with what he's saying but he had no foothold.
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I agree with Option C, but if that doesn’t get accepted, i’d be fine with Option B
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C got declined
Give it a week, B will be somehow as well
Give it a week, B will be somehow as well
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I can see the Kabutowari get declined, even though the arguments for it are basically entirely logical with a lowballed distance. But if Fujitora's meteorite does as well then mmmmmm-- I call bs
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If B gets declined, we riot.
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Uhhh?
what you mean by that
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This reminds me-
Was Youngbeard's ocean tilt recalc'd? I found a few interesting things that might make finding sizes for the island/tsunamis easier.
Rather, looked into a few shots that might give scale for the moby dick compared to a cliff next to it, that can scale to the rest of the island. Unless that's for Wano stuff? I assume not since the flashback has nothing to do with wano's scaling
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We're not a group.
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Agree with the changes + I agree with the B option
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Base Luffy has a problem
Bellamy can hurt him but apparently his base dura scales to G3rd.
Bellamy isn't as strong as G3rd.
Luffy's dura should just scale to Jinbe.
Doflamingo should still scale above the jet gatling value as he called him weak, implying he's physically superior to what he could dish out. Even his Bazooka didn't phase his drastically injured self.
Or at least this scales to his durability, which scales to his AP regardless.
Bellamy can hurt him but apparently his base dura scales to G3rd.
Bellamy isn't as strong as G3rd.
Luffy's dura should just scale to Jinbe.
Doflamingo should still scale above the jet gatling value as he called him weak, implying he's physically superior to what he could dish out. Even his Bazooka didn't phase his drastically injured self.
Or at least this scales to his durability, which scales to his AP regardless.
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The current justification says he can take hits from Katakuri, but he gets completely obliterated by these hits, and is visually in a lot of pain. He certainly is weaker than them, and the only reason he is not dead is because of his insane endurance.
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Agreed, but the main thing is that Kata gets his scaling from G3rd (and basically the gatling), which is causing these issues.
So Luffy can just scale to Jinbe.
But still, would/should Luffy backscale from his G2nd self?
Cause he can fight Bellamy who can hurt him, and his dura scales to G2nd
So Luffy can just scale to Jinbe.
But still, would/should Luffy backscale from his G2nd self?
Cause he can fight Bellamy who can hurt him, and his dura scales to G2nd
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He is "higher than High 7-A" since he is stronger than Overdosed Hody, rather than comparable, so it seems plausible
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Actually, Bellamy can only hurt Luffy with Haki, no?
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He can hurt Luffy with Haki, but here's the thing.
He pretty much says Luffy's Haki is stronger than his.
If they have relative bases with Haki, that means that without Haki, Bellamy is physically superior.
Read Smoker's justification for his base AP for a dumbed down version of it
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