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Who said that?Wasn't this discussed in a past thread that Oven's statement about a robust body refers to endurance etc rather than raw durability?
Cause it's on his profile right now
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Who said that?Wasn't this discussed in a past thread that Oven's statement about a robust body refers to endurance etc rather than raw durability?
Never mind I'm misremembering a conversation in the general discussion thread, it was about robustness in general more so meaning having a healthy body etc rather than durability.Who said that?
Cause it's on his profile right now
Not mine. That gets changed.In your scaling chart MP Chopper scales to 7.57 gigatons, the same as G3.
Boutta cancel thisSo do Ittoryu Zoro and Gear 2+3 Luffy scale above this?
Same brothers who would end up scaling above people (Katakuri's dura) who scale above someone (Doflamingo) who casually blocked Sanji's amped hits.I mean the only issue is, as someone pointed out, Sanji without restraints wrecked 2 of his brothers at once, but that wasn't when they were serious and they weren't in battle
Why did Charmander even put MP Chopper at that level?Not mine. That gets changed.
?Boutta cancel this
OK fair.Same brothers who would end up scaling above people (Katakuri's dura) who scale above someone (Doflamingo) who casually blocked Sanji's amped hits.
So this isn't the "only issue".
nevermind scaling off of that.Oh yeah
We can scale Pedro relative Oven for parrying his attack. He also scales to Katakuri's striking, read below for that scaling.
Oven's durability scales above Katakuri's Durability. Sanji scales to that, Daifuku scales to that, and Kata's regular AP scale to that.
On top of that, Perospero scales to Pedro.
Smoothie scales above these people for obvious reasons.
Ichiji and Yonji scale due Yonji > Ichiji's Pure Striking > Perospero's Dura ~ Perospero's AP
I think Katakuri should backscale from G4th though, since he was getting knocked around.
Don't think he should scale directly to him, especially when he was coughing up blood.
This scales to a lot of people.
Didn't the Biscuit soldiers also overpower G3 according to their profile?nevermind scaling off of that.
Oven's statement refers to endurance, so that's scraps
The monsters of the BM Pirates can scale above a Biscuit Soldier, which scales to G2nd Luffy who destroyed a Black Knight, the same Black Knight that transformed into the Birdcage and which scales to the 6 string dura thing.
So the Monsters scale to the 30 GT rating
YesDidn't the Biscuit soldiers also overpower G3 according to their profile?
1. The gatling scales to 6And does G2 Luffy scale to 1 string or 6 strings cuz of the Black Knight?
So wouldn't Gear 2nd be 30 GT as well?1. The gatling scales to 6
Since Luffy said that it was "Hawk Gatling", doesn't that mean that Luffy used Busoshoku Haki?Ykw, I can't mess up Kata's entire scaling because of that.
Cause even if we disconnect that, he still scales off of Smoothie, who gets that in advance
I guess that's just an outlier for Luffy. My bad
So wouldn't Gear 2nd be 30 GT as well?
Jet/hawk Gattling is the product of multiple gear 2nd punches, gear 2nd normally wouldn't scale to its full value.Since Luffy said that it was "Hawk Gatling", doesn't that mean that Luffy used Busoshoku Haki?
If so, we can just scale G2nd with Buso to temporarily matching Kata, right?
I mean, it'd be far above normal G2.
But doesn't Luffy at the moment scale above a string because of what he did with a Jet Gatling?Jet/hawk Gattling is the product of multiple gear 2nd punches, gear 2nd normally wouldn't scale to its full value.
dude.But doesn't Luffy at the moment scale above a string because of what he did with a Jet Gatling?
Honestly, can we even scale Gear 2nd to one string then?dude.
He scales above 1 string regularly
He scales above 6 strings with jet gatling
We say 1 string cause we don't know how much his individual punches were so we assumed 1
We say 6 cause the calc has 6 strings
Gear 2nd not scaling to no 30 GT
??????????????Honestly, can we even scale Gear 2nd to one string then?
Wouldn't it be more solid to just scale him above Base Luffy?
Or Baseline 6-C at most?
Ok then.??????????????
His punches tore through the strings
1 string is enough
Base Doffy with no Haki is half as strong as Gear 4 Luffy w/ compression attacks and Haki? Doesn't that seem a bit off?Also, would Base Doffy without buso Haki be 30 gigatons since he damaged Base Luffy?
Ok then what does his durability scale to?Eseseso
Luffy does not scale to the 30 Gigatons outside of his Gatling.
So please don't say "do they scale to 30 since they hurt Luffy?" He doesn't scale to it himself
Pardon? What is this, Damage? We're about to finish this revision.Just as a heads-up, I will be making another Calc Group thread tonight to address a possible concern with Fujitora's meteor calcs. I don't think the thread will take long so it shouldn't delay things here too long but I want to get it out and discussed before the CRT goes on much further.
Your concerns don't have to affect this basically finished CRT at all.I'm sorry if I've annoyed you but I wanted to get my concerns double-checked first and they have been now.
I realize this could be infuriating but I thought that there was more time available while the sandbox was being worked on, and that it would be even more infuriating if I brought up issues after the changes were applied. The thread has only been up a few days after all. I'm more used to these lasting a couple weeks. Thought I had more time.
As I said, that's fine, I just wanted to prevent potentially extra work being created and additional disappointment from people after a thread was just applied. I didn't speak up just to try and annoy you or delay your work.Your concerns don't have to affect this basically finished CRT at all.
Again, make your thread, do not stop this one because of it, and if you reach a conclusion in favor of removing the calc, then make a CRT on the god tiers in particular (unless there is more than one CGDT about the god tier calcs ongoing, then wait).
Do not intertwine calculation problems with content revisions. What's approved by the CGM staff is what's been discussed.
7-A, higher with MP.On another subject, what do normal Chopper and MP Chopper scale to?
He might scale "higher" than gear 2 Luffy. MIGHT. Uncontrolled Monster Point Chopper (Franky) needed an elephant gun to the face to be KO'DOn another subject, what do normal Chopper and MP Chopper scale to?
I appreciate that they seem sudden but most of the time these issues don't actually get spotted until revisions start because a revision means that the calcs are brought to the forefront where they can get more scrutiny than them just being in the background for a long while.I don't want this to come off as disrespectful because it's 150% not, but both the kabutowari and fujitora calcs "issues" seem... Too sudden?
They're not new calcs by any means that very suddenly got accepted. They've been around for at least two-ish months and it seems multiple members agree with them, which is why they're there at all.
Unless the arguments found now and this suddenly, are actually going to change the opinions of the ones who should've already checked this out and likely should've noticed these issues then it feels practically pointless.
More conversation/debate about it isn't bad, obviously- but from where I'm standing it just looks (but more so feels) like extra nitpicks were found for the sake of prolonging the application of already accepted results.
The argument for the kabutowari isn't which one should be used though anymore- it's to seemingly take out the entire reason behind the feat itself, which then just invalidates the feat altogether.I did bring up early on in the thread that the Whitebeard calcs would need a discussion on which versions to use (I hadn't realized there was no old prior version of the Kabutowari calc). I just didn't want to bring up too many discussion points at the same time without getting through them in order first.
Actually the higher atmosphere isn't what I want to address. Didn't say that.The argument for the kabutowari isn't which one should be used though anymore- it's to seemingly take out the entire reason behind the feat itself, which then just invalidates the feat altogether.
Same with the Fujitora new calc via the higher atmosphere.
The former can definitely be argued on, but the latter doesn't even use a new earth size or assumptions, just the atmosphere's shown height from the accepted Alabasta size. I'd figured if there was anything glaring about that it wouldn't be accepted at all because it relies mostly if not entirely on pixelscaling rather than story related reasons like the Kabutowari.
Personally, I wouldn't. We already note that Doflamingo with Haki is inferior to Luffy, and though he obviously isn't dying from G4 Luffy's hits, he is still getting ragdolled and overpowered by them to a significant degree. So it doesn't make sense to me to say that Doflamingo with no defensive Haki is just a bit inferior to Gear 4 Luffy's AP.
Yeah that's seems fine, even when he blocks the Kong gun etc with Buso despite using both hands to block he only coats one arm
That looks like a coloring error. Both arms are shaded in different panels.Yeah that's seems fine, even when he blocks the Kong gun etc with Buso despite using both hands to block he only coats one arm