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I don't think has to mean "These characters are also capable of fighting me when they use Advanced Buso".
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One Piece: Early Post-Timeskip and God Tiers AP Revision
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This justification is using the wrong link for Fujitora's "this much energy" line. Still linking to the Country level version.
Chopper is missing a justification.
Will go through more sections soon.
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This calc should be deleted from his profile. We can see Zoro's silhouette in front of the meteor.
Also I don't see anyone accepting the calc itself.
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Agreed, Zoro also never fought him in the movie.
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I don't know if it was accepted somewhere else but @Damage3245 said it should be removed from the profile.
And the measurements are still wrong, they should use Zoro, not assume those random rock formations are 609-meter mountains.
The rock formations and the meteor are not even on the same plane, the meteor appears to be closer to the POV than them.
And Douglas doesn't even need that calc to justify his rating.
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I second this.
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In regards to this statement that appears on a few of the god tier profiles:
Both the manga and anime suggests that out of those Kaidou has previously fought these five are the strongest. Wouldn't this justify those who this statement applies for scaling above the Big Mom that fought Kaidou a few days prior. And if so the justification on the profiles could include that.
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Makes sense!
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The one piece atmosphere had a new size since then. That's why Fujitora's 6-B got bumped to 6-A. That recalc is based off the new atmosphere
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Yeah, so I made a new Meteor Calc for Fujitora that ended up being accepted as 1 Petaton
Based on this, 1 Doffy String is now 19.9 Gigatons and that buffs everything
Based on this, 1 Doffy String is now 19.9 Gigatons and that buffs everything
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Jfc- good find. Now Dressrosa will get nerfed into being 1 kilometer just for the sake of that calc being wrong too
Damage vs 6-A One Piece continues
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question, why not use the anime timeframe, or is there something wrong with using the anime?
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While the meteorite would scale to the god tiers since it's DF Offense, what would Fujitora's energy be, to scale to himself with it?
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In the Manga it's 1 page, in the Anime, it cuts away from the meteor a bunch and is full of cinematic time
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Anime timeframe without the showings of other characters was like 7.9 seconds
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Ain't you thinking of buffing it ain't ya? Probably save it in case of needing
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Not really, just saying that without the bs cinematic timeframe it’s that high
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Unrelated:
Let it be known on the WB Kabutowari issue that the Ace news were spread days before the war started. Nyon only knew because of the Kuja travelling or means exclusive to her. The rest of the calm belt not knowing suddenly makes sense, because the news gulls had days to distribute all around the world and not just a few hours to miss entire islands when even people at sea get the news while travelling. And even then Nyon only got it 3 days before the war started IIRC. That's a point that should be brought attention to
Let it be known on the WB Kabutowari issue that the Ace news were spread days before the war started. Nyon only knew because of the Kuja travelling or means exclusive to her. The rest of the calm belt not knowing suddenly makes sense, because the news gulls had days to distribute all around the world and not just a few hours to miss entire islands when even people at sea get the news while travelling. And even then Nyon only got it 3 days before the war started IIRC. That's a point that should be brought attention to
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You could've just... said that there
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CALC GROUP AND STAFF ONLY
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I could almost laugh; this truly is VSBW in action. A potential downgrade comes up, so reflexively an upgrade appears in response.
It's like the ultimate cliche of this website.
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Or you can either evaluate it, ignore it, or just be a normal person about it
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I am being normal?Or you can either evaluate it, ignore it, or just be a normal person about it
But I won't comment on it any further, don't worry.
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You made 2 downgrade threads back to back in response to this same thread in less than 24 hours from each other
Let’s not
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The turns this thread has got is so mind boggling, to be honest.
Either way, it's very clear that either sides come from the same place:
"I'm sick of downgrades when I'm trying to revision for an upgrade"
"I'm sick of upgrades when I think it should be downgraded".
Honestly, I do not care about the conclusion of this god tier discussion, whatever you decide is going to be accepted by me without any resistance. I am more-so focused on the non-GT revisions anyway, the verse page doesn't look very good with Post TS calcs overlapping with Pre TS ones.
Either way, it's very clear that either sides come from the same place:
"I'm sick of downgrades when I'm trying to revision for an upgrade"
"I'm sick of upgrades when I think it should be downgraded".
Honestly, I do not care about the conclusion of this god tier discussion, whatever you decide is going to be accepted by me without any resistance. I am more-so focused on the non-GT revisions anyway, the verse page doesn't look very good with Post TS calcs overlapping with Pre TS ones.
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I hope there are no more mid-thread calcs or we'll be here until next year.
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Anime: Remove the "showing their reactions" cinematic bullshit, and the feat is around 8 seconds long, as shown to be by KT. I think the 10 seconds is fine considering we're not quite taking the extra distance into account.
So. I'll opt out for a while, be back whenever you all figure this out.
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Meteor first shown from these frames:
178 - 265
Meteor shown again from these frames:
361 - 473
(265-178) + (473 - 361) = 199
199 / 25 = 7.96 seconds
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Wait, SHOULDN'T you look at it? It's better than having to deal with the waiting then seeing a problem with it way later again-
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Three calc group members have evaluated it, I'll trust their judgement. Plus I've taken on enough discussions to keep me busy as it is.
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..... This isn't meant to sound dickish, but since Fujitora's other calc is likely getting declined because of "secondary canon evidence" (aka the anime contradicting it to hell) then using the anime timeframe here is 100% fair for the exact same reasons. Might as well make use of that logic since it worked.
The fact that half the values have to be rewritten from Dressrosa and on is big ick tbh, but if GodlyCharmander's letting it sit for a bit then might as well sort everything out and not have the revisions get interrupted a second time when he restarts.
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I don't think we can just pick and choose to cut out frames in the event of Cinematic Timing. If Cinematic Timing makes the timeframe from the anime unsuitable, then it shouldn't be used at all. Not edited to be used.
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Also I have tried to do this before (using the anime timeframe but not counting filler scenes like civilians reactions) and it was denied.
I think the current timeframe of 10 seconds is perfectly fine.
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Aside from Doflamingo related scaling chain and the god tier values, there's nothing else to change right?
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This is very draining, please stop trying to come up with higher results on the spot. If the new timeframe is a better alternative due to Dressrosa sucking ass, then let's go with that.
The point of my previous post was to showcase how much the god awful pacing of the anime can double or even triple the timeframe it would've normally taken. Toei is particularly notorious for it's staredown scenes which lasts from 10 seconds to a whole minute. This feat suffers from it.
About the second meteor, my opinion is quite unfounded and based on vague information, but if the anime adapted the tail as an explosion, then it was an explosion, we have no real reason to assume it was the tail of the meteor in the manga as well, as we do not see the impact being depicted before or after that particular panel, meaning it fulfilled that purpose. (Thus, the tail wouldn't be there, since the impact would've made it fade away).
I don't know if these points are accurate, and if they aren't, please disregard this reply entirely. I'm just too tired, both physically (as I haven't slept in over 30 hours), and mentally. I do not wish to engage in One Piece debates for a while, so you will likely not be seeing me during the upcoming Wano Revisions. That's it, see ya tomorrow.
Damage when he sees a possibility for a downgrade be like:
I obviously mean no harm, 'tis a joke
The point of my previous post was to showcase how much the god awful pacing of the anime can double or even triple the timeframe it would've normally taken. Toei is particularly notorious for it's staredown scenes which lasts from 10 seconds to a whole minute. This feat suffers from it.
About the second meteor, my opinion is quite unfounded and based on vague information, but if the anime adapted the tail as an explosion, then it was an explosion, we have no real reason to assume it was the tail of the meteor in the manga as well, as we do not see the impact being depicted before or after that particular panel, meaning it fulfilled that purpose. (Thus, the tail wouldn't be there, since the impact would've made it fade away).
I don't know if these points are accurate, and if they aren't, please disregard this reply entirely. I'm just too tired, both physically (as I haven't slept in over 30 hours), and mentally. I do not wish to engage in One Piece debates for a while, so you will likely not be seeing me during the upcoming Wano Revisions. That's it, see ya tomorrow.
Damage when he sees a possibility for a downgrade be like:
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Jesus christ GO CATCH SOME Z'S, BROTHER
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Unless I'm missing something, based off the new accepted value and what I saw above--
So 1 Doffy string: 19.9 gigatons
Luffy W/Jet Gatling Gun: 119 Gigatons
Gear 4 Luffy breaking 13: 258.7 gigatons
Leo Bazooka: 517.4 Gigatons
Doflamingo w/buso downscaling from double-handed: ??? (I still don't know how the initial 52.15 value exists since it's 2.5-ish times below G4's two-handed attack)
Awakened Katakuri> Gear 4th> Cracker
Doflamingo w/buso's downscaled dura ~ Katakuri's Dura< G4th's AP ~ 517.4 Gigatons
Katakuri> Biscuit Soldier> Gear 3rd ~ 119 Gigatons
So 1 Doffy string: 19.9 gigatons
Luffy W/Jet Gatling Gun: 119 Gigatons
Gear 4 Luffy breaking 13: 258.7 gigatons
Leo Bazooka: 517.4 Gigatons
Doflamingo w/buso downscaling from double-handed: ??? (I still don't know how the initial 52.15 value exists since it's 2.5-ish times below G4's two-handed attack)
Awakened Katakuri> Gear 4th> Cracker
Doflamingo w/buso's downscaled dura ~ Katakuri's Dura< G4th's AP ~ 517.4 Gigatons
Katakuri> Biscuit Soldier> Gear 3rd ~ 119 Gigatons
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Holy mother of goodness even as a noctural person (at least not for now until i get my wi-fi) i didn't even go that far
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