GodlyCharmander
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Combined Attack Multipliers are currently help together by ducktape and some sticks. It's getting abused, and when something this iffy is being abused to this extent, I believe opening a new debate on it is best. I will begin by stating a counterargument for our current interpretation. From easiest to hardest to counter. It was accepted here.
Example 3
"36, 72, 108" pound ho.
This is the easiest to address because it's quite literally just a naming for the attack, the closer it is to Zoro's current max strength, the higher the number is. It acts only as a support evidence, and it does not prove definitely that any limb multipliers are in place.
Furthermore, the pound cannon value cannot be used to prove one multiplier but at the same time ignoring the fact that Post Timeskip Zoro's Pound Cannon is multiplied by a factor of 10. (Even less going by the additional evidence's logic). We don't consider the latter, thus, we cannot consider the former. It's either linear or not, there is no in-between. I believe I can safely say this evidence, even as a support, is not really useful for proving number of limbs are a factor in strength. Same can be said about the additional evidence which rely on the same logic.
There is no "It wouldn't work to measure strength linearly between the keys, but it can be measured linearly for individual limbs." That is the worst case of double standards I've seen in the last 24 hours.
Example 2
Luffy destroys the spear part of a spear-bomb, and says Krieg's power is halved.
First, Krieg himself doubts this statement in the very panel it's stated. Second, this does not act as evidence to number limbs = double the force, because the force of the bomb is not dependent on the spear, and the strength of Krieg's swing isn't halved by not having a piece of metal at the end of the stick.
What Luffy likely meant, is that Krieg's strength, as in, means to harm him, are now halved. He could either stab, or blow Luffy up, but now he can't do the former, thus, halving his limited arsenal (on his hand). It doesn't half literal force, impact, explosion, or swinging strength. This example does not do anything for the combined attack argument, and honestly couldn't even be supportive.
Example 1
Truly the most difficult evidence to debunk, it's literally stating that removing one of Oars limbs will result in a decrease in strength, I really believe I cannot fully debunk it. There is some logical problems with this, however. Taking out one of Oars' arms wouldn't half his strength at all, actually. He still have 3 other very healthy limbs which he could use to attack, two of which are not affected by this in any way.
Oars knows how to knee, kick, and most importantly for the purposes of this thread, Oars knows how to stomp. Thus, not halving his strength like Chopper said it would, Oars and Moria could still combine their foot. So Chopper was wrong? No, I believe there is a plausible explanation for this.
In fact, Chopper referring to Oars overall strength as exclusively the bazooka attack (which he used it once) makes no sense, the gang was getting mollywhopped by regular attacks from Oars left and right. Chopper's statement would have no weight, because even though he can't do 2x attacks, he still is effectively as strong as he has been the entire battle, save for a singular move. So what was Chopper talking about? A much plausible interpretation of that quote is Oars' battle strength dropping by about half, as in, the same way Krieg's weapon had it's power "cut by half". It's options to attack, with his arms disabled, effectively half of Oars body is useless for any sort of attack, save for kicks, but that is still 50% of your body (much longer arms) unable to counter any sort of attack, thus, "cutting Oars effective Strength by half", rather than the force behind his attacks, which again wouldn't make any sort of sense, or weight to say, because non-bazooka attacks are already too much.
Remember, this thread intends to reopen the discussion, you can defend this multiplier, you can add further justification as to why it's not correct. Just be civil, and discuss.
Example 3
"36, 72, 108" pound ho.
This is the easiest to address because it's quite literally just a naming for the attack, the closer it is to Zoro's current max strength, the higher the number is. It acts only as a support evidence, and it does not prove definitely that any limb multipliers are in place.
Furthermore, the pound cannon value cannot be used to prove one multiplier but at the same time ignoring the fact that Post Timeskip Zoro's Pound Cannon is multiplied by a factor of 10. (Even less going by the additional evidence's logic). We don't consider the latter, thus, we cannot consider the former. It's either linear or not, there is no in-between. I believe I can safely say this evidence, even as a support, is not really useful for proving number of limbs are a factor in strength. Same can be said about the additional evidence which rely on the same logic.
There is no "It wouldn't work to measure strength linearly between the keys, but it can be measured linearly for individual limbs." That is the worst case of double standards I've seen in the last 24 hours.
Example 2
Luffy destroys the spear part of a spear-bomb, and says Krieg's power is halved.
First, Krieg himself doubts this statement in the very panel it's stated. Second, this does not act as evidence to number limbs = double the force, because the force of the bomb is not dependent on the spear, and the strength of Krieg's swing isn't halved by not having a piece of metal at the end of the stick.
What Luffy likely meant, is that Krieg's strength, as in, means to harm him, are now halved. He could either stab, or blow Luffy up, but now he can't do the former, thus, halving his limited arsenal (on his hand). It doesn't half literal force, impact, explosion, or swinging strength. This example does not do anything for the combined attack argument, and honestly couldn't even be supportive.
Example 1
Truly the most difficult evidence to debunk, it's literally stating that removing one of Oars limbs will result in a decrease in strength, I really believe I cannot fully debunk it. There is some logical problems with this, however. Taking out one of Oars' arms wouldn't half his strength at all, actually. He still have 3 other very healthy limbs which he could use to attack, two of which are not affected by this in any way.
Oars knows how to knee, kick, and most importantly for the purposes of this thread, Oars knows how to stomp. Thus, not halving his strength like Chopper said it would, Oars and Moria could still combine their foot. So Chopper was wrong? No, I believe there is a plausible explanation for this.
In fact, Chopper referring to Oars overall strength as exclusively the bazooka attack (which he used it once) makes no sense, the gang was getting mollywhopped by regular attacks from Oars left and right. Chopper's statement would have no weight, because even though he can't do 2x attacks, he still is effectively as strong as he has been the entire battle, save for a singular move. So what was Chopper talking about? A much plausible interpretation of that quote is Oars' battle strength dropping by about half, as in, the same way Krieg's weapon had it's power "cut by half". It's options to attack, with his arms disabled, effectively half of Oars body is useless for any sort of attack, save for kicks, but that is still 50% of your body (much longer arms) unable to counter any sort of attack, thus, "cutting Oars effective Strength by half", rather than the force behind his attacks, which again wouldn't make any sort of sense, or weight to say, because non-bazooka attacks are already too much.
Remember, this thread intends to reopen the discussion, you can defend this multiplier, you can add further justification as to why it's not correct. Just be civil, and discuss.