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One Piece Chapter 1092: "The Tyrant Kuma's Rampage Through The Holy Land" (Fan Translation)

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GTsek said:
To be honest, I don't see how Kizaru could have traveled faster than light through a beam of light
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He's using the beam of light as a means of travel but instead of just traveling along it, he's holding to that point and charging his acceleration up.
Hence "ACCELERATION is power." Luffy was already finessing most if not all of his light beams
 
Can we calc the KE of Kizaru's FTL attacks? He's basically using the principle of acceleration to attack harder, or kinetic energy.
 
And seriously, it shouldn't be a contradiction to calculate this since he can now officially make his light move faster than light.
 
FTL Luffy at work
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Eminiteable said:
Same way in which lightning in OP can travel faster than the speed of lightning, it's a manga not real life.

It's not really headcanon, we do see he turned his body to light with his Yata no Kagami to travel at light speed and mid way began accelerating, that means he moved ftl.
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"This is fiction" is not a good argument, anything could be relativized with this, such as the beams of light that curve and are not accepted as SoL. In any case, your argument only fuels doubts regarding the FTL speed of the serie, for example, This means that Kizaru only reaches speeds above light when using this "boost" through light itself. Which means his fisical speed when not using the fruit is not FTL, which makes the scale questionable.

1-Luffy scales as FTL, he keeps up with Kaido who has an 8c feat, However, in this chapter, Kizaru without the "boost" that gives him FTL speed was able to keep up and counter Luffy Snakeman's blows, This is something that Kaido himself, who is scaled as FTL, needed to use observation haki to follow... If the Luffy Snakeman's moves are FTL, there would be no way for Kizaru to keep up without being FTL too, and we know that he apparently needs a "Boost" to overcome the speed of light.

2-When Kizaru moves away from Luffy, there was a punch from Luffy that was going to hit him, and when that punch hit the ground, Kizaru had already dodged it at lightspeed and was extremely far away from Luffy. There is no way an 8c FTL punch can be dodged by someone who has the speed of light, Kizaru, in addition to dodging it, also distanced himself a lot in the same time that the punch hit the ground... It doesn't make sense for this to happen if luffy really is FTL.

3-Bonney, which is classified as FTL was unable to hit Kizaru, he simply dodges at the speed of Light and strikes her without her reacting. Franky himself, who was face to face with Kizaru, prepares an attack but Kizaru simply disappears from his vision , even though Franky is looking directly at him.

Anyway, it was very clear in this chapter that in narrative terms, Kizaru with the speed of light is extremely fast for all the characters there, and the majority are scaled as FTL..
 
GTsek said:
"This is fiction" is not a good argument, anything could be relativized with this, such as the beams of light that curve and are not accepted as SoL. In any case, your argument only fuels doubts regarding the FTL speed of the serie, for example, This means that Kizaru only reaches speeds above light when using this "boost" through light itself. Which means his fisical speed when not using the fruit is not FTL, which makes the scale questionable.

1-Luffy scales as FTL, he keeps up with Kaido who has an 8c feat, However, in this chapter, Kizaru without the "boost" that gives him FTL speed was able to keep up and counter Luffy Snakeman's blows, This is something that Kaido himself, who is scaled as FTL, needed to use observation haki to follow... If the Luffy Snakeman's moves are FTL, there would be no way for Kizaru to keep up without being FTL too, and we know that he apparently needs a "Boost" to overcome the speed of light.

2-When Kizaru moves away from Luffy, there was a punch from Luffy that was going to hit him, and when that punch hit the ground, Kizaru had already dodged it at lightspeed and was extremely far away from Luffy. There is no way an 8c FTL punch can be dodged by someone who has the speed of light, Kizaru, in addition to dodging it, also distanced himself a lot in the same time that the punch hit the ground... It doesn't make sense for this to happen if luffy really is FTL.

3-Bonney, which is classified as FTL was unable to hit Kizaru, he simply dodges at the speed of Light and strikes her without her reacting. Franky himself, who was face to face with Kizaru, prepares an attack but Kizaru simply disappears from his vision , even though Franky is looking directly at him.

Anyway, it was very clear in this chapter that in narrative terms, Kizaru with the speed of light is extremely fast for all the characters there, and the majority are scaled as FTL..
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No body in One piece aside from Kizaru was higher than LS to begin with
 
GTsek said:
"This is fiction" is not a good argument, anything could be relativized with this, such as the beams of light that curve and are not accepted as SoL. In any case, your argument only fuels doubts regarding the FTL speed of the serie, for example, This means that Kizaru only reaches speeds above light when using this "boost" through light itself. Which means his fisical speed when not using the fruit is not FTL, which makes the scale questionable.

1-Luffy scales as FTL, he keeps up with Kaido who has an 8c feat, However, in this chapter, Kizaru without the "boost" that gives him FTL speed was able to keep up and counter Luffy Snakeman's blows, This is something that Kaido himself, who is scaled as FTL, needed to use observation haki to follow... If the Luffy Snakeman's moves are FTL, there would be no way for Kizaru to keep up without being FTL too, and we know that he apparently needs a "Boost" to overcome the speed of light.

2-When Kizaru moves away from Luffy, there was a punch from Luffy that was going to hit him, and when that punch hit the ground, Kizaru had already dodged it at lightspeed and was extremely far away from Luffy. There is no way an 8c FTL punch can be dodged by someone who has the speed of light, Kizaru, in addition to dodging it, also distanced himself a lot in the same time that the punch hit the ground... It doesn't make sense for this to happen if luffy really is FTL.

3-Bonney, which is classified as FTL was unable to hit Kizaru, he simply dodges at the speed of Light and strikes her without her reacting. Franky himself, who was face to face with Kizaru, prepares an attack but Kizaru simply disappears from his vision , even though Franky is looking directly at him.

Anyway, it was very clear in this chapter that in narrative terms, Kizaru with the speed of light is extremely fast for all the characters there, and the majority are scaled as FTL..
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Ain't reading all that
 
GTsek said:
1-Luffy scales as FTL, he keeps up with Kaido who has an 8c feat, However, in this chapter, Kizaru without the "boost" that gives him FTL speed was able to keep up and counter Luffy Snakeman's blows, This is something that Kaido himself, who is scaled as FTL, needed to use observation haki to follow...


2-When Kizaru moves away from Luffy, there was a punch from Luffy that was going to hit him, and when that punch hit the ground, Kizaru had already dodged it at lightspeed and was extremely far away from Luffy. There is no way an 8c FTL punch can be dodged by someone who has the speed of light, Kizaru, in addition to dodging it, also distanced himself a lot in the same time that the punch hit the ground... It doesn't make sense for this to happen if luffy really is FTL.
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1- Kizaru's blocking with his body, not light technique. just because his fruit is light=/= he's light speed max. By your logic greenbull should be a stationary tree, caesar can't move beyond wind speed, Enel shouldn't even be able to follow electron readings, and Crocodile, a logia type, saying A devil fruit GROWS MORE POWERFUL when you train it doesn't exist.
2- Luffy isn't using conqueror's coating, which implies he's not even going all out.
3- A super accelerated Kizaru needed to flash Luffy with light (Luffy needed to actively obscure his eyes to even know what was happening) and even then he saw kizaru coming
4- Kizaru never "blitzed" Luffy, you goofball. Luffy's combat speed is FTL, not his TRAVEL SPEED. Kizaru using light travel to escape the fisticuffs and Luffy can't do jack shit about it regardless. Even then, we see him actively follow kizaru's beam with his eyes when he's exiting the dome.
Even point blank in boxing range Kizaru was firing multiple beams that didn't seem to touch Luffy. So either he sucks at aiming even that close, or Luffy's finessing him.
 
SnookB said:
1- Kizaru's blocking with his body, not light technique. just because his fruit is light=/= he's light speed max. By your logic greenbull should be a stationary tree, caesar can't move beyond wind speed, Enel shouldn't even be able to follow electron readings, and Crocodile, a logia type, saying A devil fruit GROWS MORE POWERFUL when you train it doesn't exist.
2- Luffy isn't using conqueror's coating, which implies he's not even going all out.
3- A super accelerated Kizaru needed to flash Luffy with light (Luffy needed to actively obscure his eyes to even know what was happening) and even then he saw kizaru coming
4- Kizaru never "blitzed" Luffy, you goofball. Luffy's combat speed is FTL, not his TRAVEL SPEED. Kizaru using light travel to escape the fisticuffs and Luffy can't do jack shit about it regardless. Even then, we see him actively follow kizaru's beam with his eyes when he's exiting the dome.
Even point blank in boxing range Kizaru was firing multiple beams that didn't seem to touch Luffy. So either he sucks at aiming even that close, or Luffy's finessing him.
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Sorry dude
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Not at all. I'm not gonna drag it out on this thread but GTsek can make a CRT and I'll gladly address their every single point there.
Saying "he didn't accelerate because how can he accelerate light through light hurr" when the dude specifically SAYS HE'S ACCELERATING while in light form prior is willful ignorance at best.
 
SnookB said:
Not at all. I'm not gonna drag it out on this thread but GTsek can make a CRT and I'll gladly address their every single point there.
Saying "he didn't accelerate because how can he accelerate light through light hurr" when the dude specifically SAYS HE'S ACCELERATING while in light form prior is willful ignorance at best.
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Except it doesn't make sense.. light can't be faster than itself that's literally one of the light proprieties plus there is literally no indication that Kizaru was going at a speed beyond LS to begin with aside from a vague statement
 
SnookB said:
1- Kizaru's blocking with his body, not light technique. just because his fruit is light=/= he's light speed max. By your logic greenbull should be a stationary tree, caesar can't move beyond wind speed, Enel shouldn't even be able to follow electron readings, and Crocodile, a logia type, saying A devil fruit GROWS MORE POWERFUL when you train it doesn't exist.
2- Luffy isn't using conqueror's coating, which implies he's not even going all out.
3- A super accelerated Kizaru needed to flash Luffy with light (Luffy needed to actively obscure his eyes to even know what was happening) and even then he saw kizaru coming
4- Kizaru never "blitzed" Luffy, you goofball. Luffy's combat speed is FTL, not his TRAVEL SPEED. Kizaru using light travel to escape the fisticuffs and Luffy can't do jack shit about it regardless. Even then, we see him actively follow kizaru's beam with his eyes when he's exiting the dome.
Even point blank in boxing range Kizaru was firing multiple beams that didn't seem to touch Luffy. So either he sucks at aiming even that close, or Luffy's finessing him.
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It's incredible how you said a lot of things and didn't refute my points. Still ignored some of them... Maybe it's a language barrier, since English isn't my mother language, but I didn't understand your points You he responded things that I didn't even mention...
 
Sanji using his exo density "faster acceleration, greater weight"<wiki accepts he's faster
Luffy recoiling his arm off air "Even stretching, my arm will accelerate!"<wiki accepts he's faster
Kizaru charging up in photon form "Acceleration is power"< "No he specifically can't be faster"

Prime2024 said:
Except it doesn't make sense.. light can't be faster than itself that's literally one of the light proprieties plus there is literally no indication that Kizaru was going at a speed beyond LS to begin with
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And?
He's a light human at his base. Literally eating the fruit DAY 1 makes you LS. And if he said he accelerated out of his own mouth, arguing he didn't is literally debating author intentions.
 
GTsek said:
It's incredible how you said a lot of things and didn't refute my points. Still ignored some of them... Maybe it's a language barrier, since English isn't my mother language, but I didn't understand your points You he responded things that I didn't even mention...
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I ignored some because I'd rather not crowd this thread with the debate tbh. It's much easier to make a thread for it and do that there instead, since this is meant for the chapter and not kizaru
 
SnookB said:
Not at all. I'm not gonna drag it out on this thread but GTsek can make a CRT and I'll gladly address their every single point there.
Saying "he didn't accelerate because how can he accelerate light through light hurr" when the dude specifically SAYS HE'S ACCELERATING while in light form prior is willful ignorance at best.
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It really must be a language barrier, I literally took it into account in my points. Is my English really that bad? because I literally said at the beginning of the text that I was considering that Kizaru can accelerate to a speed above light when using a "boost" through light...
 
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