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One Piece Chapter 1022: "The stars take the stage" (Official Release)

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Dr.Fix said:
@CinCameron20 so what are your thoughts then for partially scaling? Feel free to DM if you think that gets OT. To be clear I do not think WW is at the monster trio tier either. He should not be by definition he is below Jack. Still as a Tobbi Roppo he is literally in the tier just under this. I do not think that next tier is astronomically far as you convey (intentionally or otherwise while poking fun).

Also regarding Sanji & blood that was pretty minor damage with heat based abilities and off of distractions. Chopper drew blood from Queen too but we know Queen was playing with him and the damage vanished which is consistant with minor injuries. I guess what I am saying is I do not think the difference between Sanji & Queen is in the x1000s but neither is Sanji equal based off of current feats. Queen>>Page One>Base Sanji.
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Uh, the 6-B calc is getting downgraded to High 6-C+ to Low 6-B..
 
I hope King and Queen use an awakening in this fight, I believe that would make Zoro and Sanji use everything too, since Katakuri had the fruit awakened, King at least must have too.
 
It would be pretty weird in an arc where all the main enemies are zoans without showing an Awakening of that category, now is the perfect chance.
 
Dr.Fix said:
Also regarding Sanji & blood that was pretty minor damage with heat based abilities and off of distractions. Chopper drew blood from Queen too but we know Queen was playing with him and the damage vanished which is consistant with minor injuries.
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Sanji made Queen spit up blood from a kick to his neck, it wasn't done with heat based abilities and "distractions" don't lower a user's durability.

Queen playing with Chopper =/= Chopper can't harm Queen, Queen recovered from being knocked out by Big Mom in a couple of minutes if that he clearly isn't going to be taken down by someone making him spit blood but regardless that still is damaging him through his durability.

Pretty severe damage also vanished from Queen as well despite not being a minor injury, that doesn't mean we consider it an attack not capable of hurting Queen.
 
CinCameron20 said:
Either way, it's pretty nonsensical for Sanji's AP to jump from "Barely able to harm Page One w/ RS active" to "Able to draw blood from Queen with his Mouton Shot" with just a little bit of training.
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Luffy went from struggling with Base Ulti to fighting Kaido in the span of like an hour.

And he matched kicks with King with his Raid Suit on so... yeah
 
KingTempest said:
Luffy went from struggling with Base Ulti to fighting Kaido in the span of like an hour.

And he matched kicks with King with his Raid Suit on so... yeah
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Luffy said it himself he was holding back, also he was standing there and received Ulti's attack. He only suffered a small scratch before getting "serious".
  • Frankly, The gap between Ulti and Kaido isn't as vast as the profiles make it out to be, don't get me wrong. He might be like 20 times stronger than her or something, not 1000s. But this is all opinionated.
"Matched kicks with King with his Raid Suit on" - He stopped King's (singular) kick with his foot, but in the very next panel, it shoved Sanji's leg down, going to his knee. Sanji was visibly straining and got physically grappled by King.
  • I'd say Sanji only stalled King's kick. At best, I'd agree he would scale as being slightly weaker than Base King's AP.

Dr.Fix said:
@CinCameron20 so what are your thoughts then for partially scaling? Feel free to DM if you think that gets OT. To be clear I do not think WW is at the monster trio tier either. He should not be by definition he is below Jack. Still as a Tobbi Roppo he is literally in the tier just under this. I do not think that next tier is astronomically far as you convey (intentionally or otherwise while poking fun).

Also regarding Sanji & blood that was pretty minor damage with heat based abilities and off of distractions. Chopper drew blood from Queen too but we know Queen was playing with him and the damage vanished which is consistant with minor injuries. I guess what I am saying is I do not think the difference between Sanji & Queen is in the x1000s but neither is Sanji equal based off of current feats. Queen>>Page One>Base Sanji.
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Who's Who only has possible scaling to Jinbe since he fights no one else (we could scale him above Hawkins, but I'll hold on that for now). Given how the fight went, we'd have to factor in Haki, Rokushiki and Base stats... Going based off the made up stats below:

Let's say Jinbe is at "High 7-A, likely 6-C, higher with Haki, High 6-C with rage-boost". Just roll with it for now.

For Who's Who, we could say the following:
  • "Unknown, Possibly High 7-A in Base (Shown holding his own against Jinbe, albeit with support from many subordinates and we do not see him inflict harm upon Jinbe | Likely took blows from Jinbe given the injuries he received off-panel), higher with Rokushiki (Boosts attack and defensive power, but his Blade Pistol was shown to be far weaker than Jinbe's Arabesque Brick Fist), Likely High 7-A via Zoan transformations (Far stronger than Base), higher in conjunction with Rokushiki and Haki (His Haki-imbued Shigan was capable of drawing blood from Jinbe several times. Withstood a shoulder-throw from Jinbe that slammed him into the ground, albeit he suffered great pain), Likely 6-C with Fang Pistol and Shigan: Madara (Capable of drawing blood through Jinbe's Haki defense)"
That's basically it.

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Sanji did apparently draw blood from Queen using a base kick, albeit I would assume the blood was already there since we did see Queen bleeding since before Sanji even joined the fight. Either way, I wouldn't scale Sanji directly to Hybrid Queen with base kicks if he's going to be shown struggling dishing out damage via Diable Jambe and potentially Raid Suit.
 
Love these double spreads
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RoyGundam said:
The first one does a really good job of selling the overpowering presence of King and Queen, though it makes no sense for base (?) King to be of the same size as hybrid form Queen
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One Piece and Size aren't exaclty good friends IMO.



Also, Page 1 > Base Sanji? 6B (or whatever tier the verses get downgraded to) Robin let's go.
 
RoyGundam said:
The first one does a really good job of selling the overpowering presence of King and Queen, though it makes no sense for base (?) King to be of the same size as hybrid form Queen
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The sizes are actually quite consistent.
If you go back to when Sanji saved momo you'll see that King has always been big.

Like maybe (almost) as tall as Katakuri.
It's just much more apparent now
 
Eminiteable said:
Sanji made Queen spit up blood from a kick to his neck, it wasn't done with heat based abilities and "distractions" don't lower a user's durability.

Queen playing with Chopper =/= Chopper can't harm Queen, Queen recovered from being knocked out by Big Mom in a couple of minutes if that he clearly isn't going to be taken down by someone making him spit blood but regardless that still is damaging him through his durability.

Pretty severe damage also vanished from Queen as well despite not being a minor injury, that doesn't mean we consider it an attack not capable of hurting Queen.
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KingTempest said:
Luffy went from struggling with Base Ulti to fighting Kaido in the span of like an hour.

And he matched kicks with King with his Raid Suit on so... yeah
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No offense but I think you are confused about scaling . .

Luffy w/t ACoC=Kaido (W/t ACoC)>>>>>>>>>Gear 4 Luffy>>>>Base Luffy<=Apo<Tobbi Roppo.

Luffy did not get any stronger. He got a new Top Tier ability.

Also RS got upgraded by Franky & Usoop. Sanji did not. Sanji<Page-One<RS<=RS post upgrade.
 
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It's Queen getting hit by Marco's talon claw and being showed heavily damaged only for the next chapter to show he's completely clean
Dr.Fix said:
Luffy w/t ACoC=Kaido (W/t ACoC)>>>>>>>>>Gear 4 Luffy>>>>Base Luffy<=Apo<Tobbi Roppo

Also RS got upgraded by Franky & Usoop. Sanji did not. Sanji<Page-One<RS<=RS post upgrade.
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Like Tempest said Apoo isn't weaker than the Tobiroppo.

These characters can get stronger from virtually doing nothing, we've seen it the past 1000 chapters and it shouldn't be considered new to anyone. Sanji's feats show he's far superior to what he was at the start of wano.
 
So are both Queen and Sanji officially Country Level now (or whatever the highest tier for One Piece gonna be once this latest downgrade goes through) after this chapter?
 
Hey just curious, will Kidd be a 6-B at the end of the arc due to fighting Big Mom?

Also, will King and/or Queen scale to Marco? Ngl I kinda want King to be Yonko level like Marco is.

Also I hope Katakuri is Yonko level the next time we see him.
 
Eseseso said:
Hey just curious, will Kidd be a 6-B at the end of the arc due to fighting Big Mom?

Also, will King and/or Queen scale to Marco? Ngl I kinda want King to be Yonko level like Marco is.

Also I hope Katakuri is Yonko level the next time we see him.
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6-B isn’t a thing anymore, they’re gonna be downgraded to high 6-C+ to low 6-B baseline iirc
 
StrawHatArslan said:
6-B isn’t a thing anymore, they’re gonna be downgraded to high 6-C+ to low 6-B baseline iirc
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Awwww. Crap. Can I see why?

But anyways, will Kidd scale to BM? And will King scale to Marco? I've always wanted a yonko-level King (and maybe Queen).

Also, it's about time Sanji got some Yonko level stuff.

I mean, I'm planning to write a crossover fanfic where the Straw Hats are much stronger post-timeskip than in canon, but I don't know how to buff Sanji if Oda won't let him shine!
 
Eseseso said:
Hey just curious, will Kidd be a 6-B at the end of the arc due to fighting Big Mom?

Also, will King and/or Queen scale to Marco? Ngl I kinda want King to be Yonko level like Marco is.
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So these are the feats;
Queen:
  • In Base took a Crane Talons attack from Marco but was badly damaged
  • In Zoan it took two hits from Big Mom to knock him out temporarily
  • In Zoan he took a Pheonix Brand attack from Marco
  • In Zoan he dealt enough damage to Big Mom in her Linlin state to knock her out
  • In Zoan he can harm Chopper who damaged him
  • In Hybrid with Base King he tag momentarily "defeated" Sanji.
King:
  • "Defeated" Marco while Queen was fighting Chopper and then Sanji and tag teamed with Queen to deal with Sanji.
  • In base cut off Marco's wing & forced him to use that shield attack to block his fire ball
  • In base clashed with Raid Suit Sanji who's superior to base & Diable Jambe Sanji
  • In Base took Marco's Blue Bird attack & a flying kick
  • In Zoan pushed back Marco with his ranged fire balls
  • In Zoan completely overpowered Raid Suit Sanji
 
Eseseso said:
So King is probably Yonko level (via matching Marco), but Queen is almost certainly less?
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Zoan King pushed back Marco with his fire bullets, base King completely cut through Marco's wing with swordmanship and took attacks form him, so yeah he scales to Marco if not above him.

Queen would scale but likely less so, by using Sanji as a comparison it seems to be;
Base King =\> R.S Sanji > D.J Sanji > Base Sanji ~ Hybrid Queen
 
Eminiteable said:
Zoan King pushed back Marco with his fire bullets, base King completely cut through Marco's wing with swordmanship and took attacks form him, so yeah he scales to Marco if not above him.

Queen would scale but likely less so, by using Sanji as a comparison it seems to be;
Base King =\> R.S Sanji > D.J Sanji > Base Sanji ~ Hybrid Queen
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I see, so both Base King and especially Zoan King will scale >= Marco. Thanks for answering.

What about Eustass Kid? Is he comparable to Big Mom?
 
Eminiteable said:
Probably, he stopped her Napoleon + Prometheus strike and overpowered her & took a direct punch from her so he likely scales.
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Awesome. Thank you for answering.

Also, may I add that in terms of what I think for this chapter and upcoming ones, I'm happy that Robin used a demonic move, but I hope to God she doesn't get captured again. That would be so frustrating.
 
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