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Small edit, but it'd be "7-A, higher with Fishman Karate, Higher 7-A with Fishman Jujitsu"Also, will Jinbe be "7-A, High 7-A with Fishman Karate"?
Can you give me a reminder of which page this was at?Since uncompressed G4 was >= a Biscuit Soldier, doesn't that make WCI G4 6-C with his compressed attacks?
Oven ~ Katakuri > Luffy ~ 616.66 MegatonsBtw, do Oven and Perospero only scale above Streusen, or does Oven scale to hurting Base Kata while Perospero keeps scaling >= Base Tobiroppo via doing decently against a wounded Neko thanks to Jack's statement?
Also, will Jinbe be "7-A, High 7-A with Fishman Karate"?
YeahSmall edit, but it'd be "7-A, higher with Fishman Karate, Higher 7-A with Fishman Jujitsu"
I mean the Op says they're the same thing.Small edit, but it'd be "7-A, higher with Fishman Karate, Higher 7-A with Fishman Jujitsu"
Honestly I don't know, that's just what was accepted in the post timeskip revision CRT last summer (and I checked and couldn't find any scans for it), and it's on the profile for Luffy.Can you give me a reminder of which page this was at?
Base Tobiroppo > Base Hawkins = Dressrosa Law's AP = 1.85 gigatonsOven ~ Katakuri > Luffy ~ 616.66 Megatons
Perospero > Streusen > 491.24 Megatons
Combatants scale too
This value would remove that since the Tobiroppo would still scale around that same value so his feats would still make sense
Oof, sorry about that, made it on a whimMan, this is a bad time to be recovering from surgery... I kind of wish you had asked me to go through the new calculations beforehand so we could verify if there was any issues or not.
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhBase Tobiroppo > Base Hawkins = Dressrosa Law's AP = 1.85 gigatons
Let's see, the people who scale to him are the Vinsmokes, the other Monsters, the 3 Sweet Commanders, and Luffy's forms that matched Katakuri.damn near everyone in WCI scales to him though, that would make him stronger than Kat
Remind me what exactly is connecting base Tobiroppo to base Hawkins? If it is just rank alone, then that's not quite as solid as other forms of scaling.Base Tobiroppo > Base Hawkins = Dressrosa Law's AP = 1.85 gigatons
Ranks are noted to mark superiority.Remind me what exactly is connecting base Tobiroppo to base Hawkins? If it is just rank alone, then that's not quite as solid as other forms of scaling.
Base Hawkins is a headliner.Remind me what exactly is connecting base Tobiroppo to base Hawkins? If it is just rank alone, then that's not quite as solid as other forms of scaling.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but there are several other calc group members in the wiki. I don't see why KingTempest has to run the calculations by you specifically to see if they're valid.I kind of wish you had asked me to go through the new calculations beforehand so we could verify if there was any issues or not.
Vinsmokes who get bodied by Dressrosa Sanji, who's inferior to Doflamingo, who's physicals scale under the 1.85 Gigaton valueLet's see, the people who scale to him are the Vinsmokes, the other Monsters, the 3 Sweet Commanders, and Luffy's forms that matched Katakuri.
It's rank based on a heirarchy systemRemind me what exactly is connecting base Tobiroppo to base Hawkins? If it is just rank alone, then that's not quite as solid as other forms of scaling.
Why is that?If it is just rank alone, then that's not quite as solid as other forms of scaling.
Nobody said he has to. I was just expressing my personal preference.I mean this in the nicest way possible, but there are several other calc group members in the wiki. I don't see why KingTempest has to run the calculations by to specifically to see if they're valid.
Nobody said I was entitled to it.And obviously you had stuff going on in your life, but that doesn't really make you, or anybody else entitled to seeing calcs that have already been evaluated for further evaluation.
What have you noticed? Because I don't get what you're talking about. What's wrong with me preferring to go through the calcs before the CRT rather than during it? Wouldn't it make things faster if I had no issues with them before the thread?But then again, the whole point of this CRT is to discuss the changes so there's nothing wrong with questioning specific calcs if there are any issues with them.
Just something I've noticed with you for quite some time.
Considering his Goma no So is =< Killer (since they fought off-screen but Hawkins needed to use his dolls just to hold his own durability/stamina wise)... I have to agree.Vinsmokes who get bodied by Dressrosa Sanji, who's inferior to Doflamingo, who's physicals scale under the 1.85 Gigaton value
It's rank based on a heirarchy system
Hawkins might need to get scrapped from their crew altogether in forms of scaling
Hawkins is a brand new recruit to the Beasts Pirates, having only been a part of their ranks for a couple weeks at most before the events of the Wano Country arc. We know that crew members aren't automatically bumped up the ranks based on strength alone because the Tobi Roppo had to wait to be given an opportunity to challenge one of the All-Stars.Why is that?
Vivre says equalConsidering his Goma no So is =< Killer (since they fought off-screen but Hawkins needed to use his dolls just to hold his own durability/stamina wise)... I have to agree.
AgreedThe Base Tobiroppo should not scale off of him.
That works tooThey should probably instead scale above that sheep-Gifter dude who matched Fishman Island to Zou Island Brook.
This, and the fact that Apoo scales leagues above the Tobiroppo shows that the Supernova recruits of the Beast Pirates should not be used for scaling anyone besides maybe the All-Stars.Hawkins is a brand new recruit to the Beasts Pirates, having only been a part of their ranks for a couple weeks at most before the events of the Wano Country arc. We know that crew members aren't automatically bumped up the ranks based on strength alone because the Tobi Roppo had to wait to be given an opportunity to challenge one of the All-Stars.
I'm just thinking that Hawkins may be too fresh a recruit for him to be the standard that all Tobi Roppo members are judged off of. Plus, even if the Tobi Roppo members are all considered to be superior to Hawkins, who says that has to be in the their base form when they all have Zoan forms that increase their power? Could just as easily be Zoan Tobi Roppo > base Hawkins.
I apologize. I just don't get why he was going after me for expressing a wish.@ damage @ kachon it ain't that deep, just leave it
IIRC the translation of the card just says it lets him fight well against Killer (although I can't find the scan so I may be wrong), and we see after their off-screen fight that, while both are breathing heavily, Hawkins used up all of his dolls besides Kidd's to stay in the fight.Vivre says equal
Especially since sheep-dude was an actual beast pirate.That works too
If he can fight "well" then he scales relative. Holding his own at all is grounds for scaling imo.IIRC the translation of the card just says it lets him fight well against Killer (although I can't find the scan so I may be wrong), and we see after their off-screen fight that, while both are breathing heavily, Hawkins used up all of his dolls besides Kidd's to stay in the fight.
And he is definitely on a comparable level as Killer...just not equal to him.If he can fight "well" then he scales relative. Holding his own at all is grounds for scaling imo.
Oh I'm not saying they ain't relative, they're just not 100% equal.
They relative
Evaluated it.Zeus and Prometheus Get Bloated
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Another calc
AddedPart 5
Brook scales to the individual power of Zeus and Prometheus, who are both individually half as strong as their combined feat, which is this strong.
Conclusion
Scaled Values
99.06 Megatons (Brook and those who scale)
Wouldn't say cap, that's just a feat they could scale to individually, if they have any other feats or scaling then it could workSo the elemental Hommies without BM's influence cap at this level?
Nami's profile notes that Zeus one-shot Vinsmoke Judge.Wouldn't say cap, that's just a feat they could scale to individually, if they have any other feats or scaling then it could work
Zeus + Linlin, not Zeus alone, Linlin slammed him on emNami's profile notes that Zeus one-shot Vinsmoke Judge.
Wait, you have more?Letting yall know now, any new feats I. calc might be added to this CRT
This is just to get the scaling out, but new feats could change the values
Ok, nvm then.Zeus + Linlin, not Zeus alone, Linlin slammed him on em
Circling back to this, I think it'd be important to verify this. Since I can't find any scans for uncompressed Gear 4 Luffy => Cracker's cracker soldiers.Honestly I don't know, that's just what was accepted in the post timeskip revision CRT last summer (and I checked and couldn't find any scans for it), and it's on the profile for Luffy.
If I see uncompressed one more timeCircling back to this, I think it'd be important to verify this. Since I can't find any scans for uncompressed Gear 4 Luffy => Cracker's cracker soldiers.
I'm pretty sure I used it correctly? "Uncompressed" = Luffy without using compression on his attacks, no?If I see uncompressed one more time
"Uncompressed" is the version when it's shot outI'm pretty sure I used it correctly? "Uncompressed" = Luffy without using compression on his attacks, no?
Also,
You guys need to learn what compression is
He was compressed, he uncompresses when he shoots the hand