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One Piece: 2023 Mid-High Tier Redux
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Small edit, but it'd be "7-A, higher with Fishman Karate, Higher 7-A with Fishman Jujitsu"
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Can you give me a reminder of which page this was at?
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Oven ~ Katakuri > Luffy ~ 616.66 Megatons
Perospero > Streusen > 491.24 Megatons
Combatants scale too
This value would remove that since the Tobiroppo would still scale around that same value so his feats would still make sense
Yeah
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I mean the Op says they're the same thing.
Doesn't matter to me but still.
Honestly I don't know, that's just what was accepted in the post timeskip revision CRT last summer (and I checked and couldn't find any scans for it), and it's on the profile for Luffy.
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Base Tobiroppo > Base Hawkins = Dressrosa Law's AP = 1.85 gigatons
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Oof, sorry about that, made it on a whim
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
damn near everyone in WCI scales to him though, that would make him stronger than Kat
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Let's see, the people who scale to him are the Vinsmokes, the other Monsters, the 3 Sweet Commanders, and Luffy's forms that matched Katakuri.
If you feel like dropping this scaling then that's fine, I just wanted to bring it up.
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Remind me what exactly is connecting base Tobiroppo to base Hawkins? If it is just rank alone, then that's not quite as solid as other forms of scaling.
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Ranks are noted to mark superiority.
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I wish you a safe and speedy recovery Damage.
And obviously you had stuff going on in your life, but that doesn't really make you, or anybody else entitled to seeing calcs that have already been evaluated for further evaluation.
But then again, the whole point of this CRT is to discuss the changes so there's nothing wrong with questioning specific calcs if there are any issues with them.
Just something I've noticed with you for quite some time.
I mean this in the nicest way possible, but there are several other calc group members in the wiki. I don't see why KingTempest has to run the calculations by you specifically to see if they're valid.
And obviously you had stuff going on in your life, but that doesn't really make you, or anybody else entitled to seeing calcs that have already been evaluated for further evaluation.
But then again, the whole point of this CRT is to discuss the changes so there's nothing wrong with questioning specific calcs if there are any issues with them.
Just something I've noticed with you for quite some time.
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Vinsmokes who get bodied by Dressrosa Sanji, who's inferior to Doflamingo, who's physicals scale under the 1.85 Gigaton value
It's rank based on a heirarchy system
Hawkins might need to get scrapped from their crew altogether in forms of scaling
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Why is that?
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Nobody said he has to. I was just expressing my personal preference.
Nobody said I was entitled to it.
What have you noticed? Because I don't get what you're talking about. What's wrong with me preferring to go through the calcs before the CRT rather than during it? Wouldn't it make things faster if I had no issues with them before the thread?
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Considering his Goma no So is =< Killer (since they fought off-screen but Hawkins needed to use his dolls just to hold his own durability/stamina wise)... I have to agree.
The Base Tobiroppo should not scale off of him.
They should probably instead scale above that sheep-Gifter dude who matched Fishman Island to Zou Island Brook.
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Hawkins is a brand new recruit to the Beasts Pirates, having only been a part of their ranks for a couple weeks at most before the events of the Wano Country arc. We know that crew members aren't automatically bumped up the ranks based on strength alone because the Tobi Roppo had to wait to be given an opportunity to challenge one of the All-Stars.
I'm just thinking that Hawkins may be too fresh a recruit for him to be the standard that all Tobi Roppo members are judged off of. Plus, even if the Tobi Roppo members are all considered to be superior to Hawkins, who says that has to be in the their base form when they all have Zoan forms that increase their power? Could just as easily be Zoan Tobi Roppo > base Hawkins.
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@ damage @ kachon it ain't that deep, just leave it
Vivre says equal
Agreed
That works too
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This, and the fact that Apoo scales leagues above the Tobiroppo shows that the Supernova recruits of the Beast Pirates should not be used for scaling anyone besides maybe the All-Stars.
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I apologize. I just don't get why he was going after me for expressing a wish.
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IIRC the translation of the card just says it lets him fight well against Killer (although I can't find the scan so I may be wrong), and we see after their off-screen fight that, while both are breathing heavily, Hawkins used up all of his dolls besides Kidd's to stay in the fight.
Killer was about to win right then and there had Hawkins not threatened Kidd's life.
Especially since sheep-dude was an actual beast pirate.
Beginning of Timeskip Brook, for context, scales above BoTS G2 Luffy via Dragon scaling, so they'd be 343.57 megatons.
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If he can fight "well" then he scales relative. Holding his own at all is grounds for scaling imo.
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They relative
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And he is definitely on a comparable level as Killer...just not equal to him.
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Oh I'm not saying they ain't relative, they're just not 100% equal.
They relative
Also, sorry for derailing.
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We shouldn't be talking about people that have nothing to do with the OP
continue
continue
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Zeus and Prometheus Get Bloated
vsbattles.fandom.com
Another calc
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Evaluated it.Zeus and Prometheus Get Bloated
Another calc
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Thank you Damage
With that calc, we have a more solid rating for Brook
Brook's main onscreen feats are him using his special attacks in order to defeat creatures like the dragon and match hits with people like sheepshead
So with that, since he fought the individual power of Zeus and Prometheus, he'll scale to half, which is 99.0619854 Megatons
(Why the **** is it so close to baseline bro)
Brook with be
99 Megatons, 343.57 Megatons with Yomi Yomi no Mi
With that calc, we have a more solid rating for Brook
Brook's main onscreen feats are him using his special attacks in order to defeat creatures like the dragon and match hits with people like sheepshead
So with that, since he fought the individual power of Zeus and Prometheus, he'll scale to half, which is 99.0619854 Megatons
(Why the **** is it so close to baseline bro)
Brook with be
99 Megatons, 343.57 Megatons with Yomi Yomi no Mi
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Added
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Wouldn't say cap, that's just a feat they could scale to individually, if they have any other feats or scaling then it could work
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Nami's profile notes that Zeus one-shot Vinsmoke Judge.
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Letting yall know now, any new feats I calc might be added to this CRT
This is just to get the scaling out, but new feats could change the values
This is just to get the scaling out, but new feats could change the values
Zeus + Linlin, not Zeus alone, Linlin slammed him on em
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Circling back to this, I think it'd be important to verify this. Since I can't find any scans for uncompressed Gear 4 Luffy => Cracker's cracker soldiers.
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I'm pretty sure I used it correctly? "Uncompressed" = Luffy without using compression on his attacks, no?
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"Uncompressed" is the version when it's shot out
"Compression" is when he pushes his fist in his arm. The "uncompression" is when it's released
