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One Piece: 2023 Mid-High Tier Redux

KingTempest

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Yes, somehow, we're back with another mid tier-high tier revision.

This will be centered around the shit ton of calcs we have in the range of 7-A to High 7-A (each one done by yours truly)
No I'm not forming any extensive sandbox or any super long OP that'll take forever to read. I'm saying values, scaling, and who scales, and we update off of that. Simple.

Part 1​

First will be the new scaling from the Ivankov Calculation.

Main​

Ivankov's Death Wink has a certain yield, and PX-0 Kuma was capable of taking that yield from a bunch of Ivankovs with no issues whatsoever.

Pre TS​

Now, idkwtf went on with the past few revisions, the profiles are in bad condition.
A lot of the values have no reason being where they are. Zoro and Sanji scale to Mountain level from City level stuff, same with Base Luffy, everything's in shambles.

For Thriller Bark, the 3 main straw hats will scale off of different things.

Since 3 straw hats managed to damage a Pacifista, the value from the Ivankov calculation would be split in 3.
114.5 megatons each.

Since G2nd Luffy already has superior scaling due to scaling to Lucci, and also due to scaling to Shiki who's superior to the likes of Zoro, DJ Sanji and Zoro would scale, and Luffy would scale relative.

Sanji's Strongest, Asura, and G3rd scale for obvious reasons.

Post TS​

G2nd Luffy one shot a Pacifista of this caliber. He scales.

Base Luffy would scale to 1/3rd of the value, or 114.5 Megatons, due to the Caesar scaling we have in place at the moment, taking a third of an attack from Nami, who scales to G2nd Luffy.

Zoro's still 4x stronger, Sanji's combo attacks are still 2x stronger, G4th is still 4x stronger.

Part 2​

Next, WCI people to Streusen's calculation.

The Monsters, Biscuit Soldier, and the Commanders scale due to being superior to Streusen, a non-combatant of the BM pirates.
WCI Luffy and those who scale in different ways to them would scale.

Oven's calculation would be a supporting calculation for his scaling.

They should possibly upscale for how superior they are.

Part 3​

Next, Jinbe's calculation.

Jinbe's Scaling​

Underwater Jinbe could pull off that yield. As the water strengthens him, no one who has fought him on land would scale.

Weirdly enough, we have a way to quantify the growth from surface to on land. With Kuroobi's statement of FMK doubling underwater.

Now, he said that some double, pretty much making the "doubling" the higher cap.
Meaning that some are increased and some are even doubled.
Meaning his surface moves are at most halved.

Now, let's not use semantics. FMJ is just FMK with more water. It's deadass FMK with flips. The multiplier should remain the same.

So above water, Jinbe's FMJ would be half the value, or 1.217 Gigatons.

Now, Jinbe above ground with FMJ failed to move Katakuri's mochi attack, showing that for energy from Kata's attack > the energy from Jinbe.

Jinbe in a weaker form was able to combat Portgas D. Ace in his younger years, and even though that Ace was weaker than he currently is/was, he should scale above his passive feat that he was able to replicate at that time on his way to meet Shanks.

Katakuri's Scaling​

Katakuri should get an "up to" rating with his Mochi.

He's not like Doflamingo where his awakening is by default stronger than his regular attacks. It's just Mochi from different sources. His awakening has clashed against Gear 3rd (in ginormous amounts), Bounceman (in large amounts), Snakeman (in average amounts), and Base (in small amounts) Luffy.

Varying amounts of Mochi should have varying amounts of energy.
So "up to High 7-A with Mochi Mochi no Mi" should be appropriate.

Part 4​

Law's yield should scale to one of Issho's meteors, specifically this one, since he kinda blatantly stopped its speed and thus its KE.
With that, him, Doflamingo, and Boundman Luffy have a better rating to start from instead of dumb backscaling, which would be 1.85 Gigatons.

G4th Luffy is > 4x stronger than his G2nd state, making him >1.37 Gigatons, so it's good support as well.

Luffy's Leo Bazooka and KKG would be twice as strong.

Base Luffy in WCI would be 1/3rd that, due to the scaling on the Biscuit Soldier's profile.

3 sword Biscuit Soldier > Hawk Gatling > Jet Gatling > Black Knight ~ Ito Ito no Mi > 1.85 Gigatons
1 sword Biscuit soldier = 1/3rd 3 sword biscuit soldier

Zoro scales higher than Jet Gatling due to the Monet scaling

Then the compressed G4th punch on the Biscuit Soldier scales to this value, making his regular hits 7.4 Gigatons

Part 5​

Brook scales to the individual power of Zeus and Prometheus, who are both individually half as strong as their combined feat, which is this strong.

Part 6​

G4th Luffy still scales to the 4x multiplication of his compressed punched, which is stronger than his Hawk Bazooka, which is 2x stronger than a regular G2nd punch, so basically 8x stronger than a regular punch, so 2.74 Gigatons.

Part 7​

Daifuku has this calc with his devil fruit
WCI monsters that scale should scale with their devil fruits. Perospero's candy, Oven's heat, etc.
Other combatants scale above Streusen

Conclusion​

Scaled Values

114.5 Megatons (Pre TS DJ Sanji, Pre TS Zoro, Pre TS G2nd Luffy, Caesar Clown, Post TS Base Luffy, those who scale)
195.59 Megatons (Zeus, Prometheus, Brook and those who scale)
343.57 Megatons (G3rd, Kyutoryu, Pre TS Sanji's Strongest, BOT G2nd Luffy, those who scale)
491.24 Megatons (WCI Monsters, combatants, and those who scale)
616.66 Megatons (WCI Base and G2nd Luffy, and those who scale)
687.14 Megatons (DJ Sanji's Barrage Attacks, Doflamingo's Physicals, Law's physicals, those who scale)
877.28 Megatons (WCI Monsters' Devil Fruits)
1.217 Gigatons (Jinbe's FMJ, Katakuri's max Mochi AP, those who scale)
1.85 Gigatons (Law's Sword, Doflamingo's Ito Ito, Doflamingo's Haki Dura, Zoro)
2.74 Gigatons (G4th Luffy, those who scale)
5.48 Gigatons (BOT G4th Luffy's Strongest Attacks, those who scale)
7.4 Gigatons (WCI G4th Luffy, max Katakuri awakened AP, those who scale)
14.8 Gigatons (WCI G4th Luffy's Strongest Attacks)

With that in mind, let's get to work.
 
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KingTempest said:
Yerp

Yes, somehow, we're back with another mid tier-high tier revision.

This will be centered around the shit ton of calcs we have in the range of 7-A to High 7-A (each one done by yours truly)
No I'm not forming any extensive sandbox or any super long OP that'll take forever to read. I'm saying values, scaling, and who scales, and we update off of that. Simple.

Part 1​

First will be the new scaling from the Ivankov Calculation.

Main​

Ivankov's Death Wink has a certain yield, and PX-0 Kuma was capable of taking that yield from a bunch of Ivankovs with no issues whatsoever.

Pre TS​

Now, idkwtf went on with the past few revisions, the profiles are in bad condition.
A lot of the values have no reason being where they are. Zoro and Sanji scale to Mountain level from City level stuff, same with Base Luffy, everything's in shambles.

For Thriller Bark, the 3 main straw hats will scale off of different things.

Since 3 straw hats managed to damage a Pacifista, the value from the Ivankov calculation would be split in 3.
114.5 megatons each.

Since G2nd Luffy already has superior scaling due to scaling to Lucci, and also due to scaling to Shiki who's superior to the likes of Zoro, DJ Sanji and Zoro would scale, and Luffy would scale relative.

Sanji's Strongest, Asura, and G3rd scale for obvious reasons.

Post TS​

G2nd Luffy one shot a Pacifista of this caliber. He scales.

Base Luffy would scale to 1/3rd of the value, or 114.5 Megatons, due to the Caesar scaling we have in place at the moment, taking a third of an attack from Nami, who scales to G2nd Luffy.

Zoro's still 4x stronger, Sanji's combo attacks are still 2x stronger, G4th is still 4x stronger.

Part 2​

Next, WCI people to Streusen's calculation.

The Monsters, Biscuit Soldier, and the Commanders scale due to being superior to Streusen, a non-combatant of the BM pirates.
WCI Luffy and those who scale in different ways to them would scale.

Oven's calculation would be a supporting calculation for his scaling.

They should possibly upscale for how superior they are.

Part 3​

Next, Jinbe's calculation.

Jinbe's Scaling​

Underwater Jinbe could pull off that yield. As the water strengthens him, no one who has fought him on land would scale.

Weirdly enough, we have a way to quantify the growth from surface to on land. With Kuroobi's statement of FMK doubling underwater.

Now, he said that some double, pretty much making the "doubling" the higher cap.
Meaning that some are increased and some are even doubled.
Meaning his surface moves are at most halved.

Now, let's not use semantics. FMJ is just FMK with more water. It's deadass FMK with flips. The multiplier should remain the same.

So above water, Jinbe's FMJ would be half the value, or 1.217 Gigatons.

Now, Jinbe above ground with FMJ failed to move Katakuri's mochi attack, showing that for energy from Kata's attack > the energy from Jinbe.

Jinbe in a weaker form was able to combat Portgas D. Ace in his younger years, and even though that Ace was weaker than he currently is/was, he should scale above his passive feat that he was able to replicate at that time on his way to meet Shanks.

Katakuri's Scaling​

Katakuri should get an "up to" rating with his Mochi.

He's not like Doflamingo where his awakening is by default stronger than his regular attacks. It's just Mochi from different sources. His awakening has clashed against Gear 3rd (in ginormous amounts), Bounceman (in large amounts), Snakeman (in average amounts), and Base (in small amounts) Luffy.

Varying amounts of Mochi should have varying amounts of energy.
So "up to High 7-A with Mochi Mochi no Mi" should be appropriate.

Part 4​

Law's yield should scale to one of Issho's meteors, specifically this one, since he kinda blatantly stopped its speed and thus its KE.
With that, him, Doflamingo, and Boundman Luffy have a better rating to start from instead of dumb backscaling, which would be 1.85 Gigatons.

G4th Luffy is > 4x stronger than his G2nd state, making him >1.37 Gigatons, so it's good support as well.

Luffy's Leo Bazooka and KKG would be twice as strong.

Base Luffy in WCI would be 1/3rd that, due to the scaling on the Biscuit Soldier's profile.

3 sword Biscuit Soldier > Hawk Gatling > Jet Gatling > Black Knight ~ Ito Ito no Mi > 1.85 Gigatons
1 sword Biscuit soldier = 1/3rd 3 sword biscuit soldier

Zoro scales higher than Jet Gatling due to the Monet scaling

Part 5​

Scaled Values

114.5 Megatons (Pre TS DJ Sanji, Pre TS Zoro, Pre TS G2nd Luffy, Caesar Clown, Post TS Base Luffy, those who scale)
343.57 Megatons (G3rd, Kyutoryu, Pre TS Sanji's Strongest, BOT G2nd Luffy, those who scale)
491.24 Megatons (WCI Monsters and those who scale)
616.66 Megatons (WCI Base and G2nd Luffy, and those who scale)
687.14 Megatons (DJ Sanji's Barrage Attacks, Doflamingo's Physicals, Law's physicals, those who scale)
1.217 Gigatons (Jinbe's FMJ, Katakuri's max Mochi AP, those who scale)
1.85 Gigatons (Law's Sword, Doflamingo's Ito Ito, Doflamingo's Haki Dura, Zoro, G4th Luffy, those who scale)
3.7 Gigatons (G4th Luffy's Strongest Attacks, those who scale)

With that in mind, let's get to work.
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You beautiful bastard. I had no idea that Ivankov feat would come in scaling clutch when you first made it.

20/10 CRT as usual!

Agree with everything, except that arm multipliers outside of Bazooka do not apply anymore and thus cannot be used for the 1-armed Cracker Soldier (that was just never revised), so Base and G2 WCI Luffy should just scale above their previous key.
 
Eseseso said:
You beautiful bastard. I had no idea that Ivankov feat would come in scaling clutch when you first made it.

20/10 CRT as usual!

Agree with everything, except that arm multipliers outside of Bazooka do not apply anymore and thus cannot be used for the 1-armed Cracker Soldier (that was just never revised), so Base and G2 WCI Luffy should just scale above their previous key.
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Multipliers for upscaling, the downscaling is still valid as a lowball
 
KingTempest said:
Multipliers for upscaling, the downscaling is still valid as a lowball
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That makes sense, considering we already do a similar form of downscaling for Base Post-Mink Zoro from Base King due to the latter matching him with just one arm.

I now fully agree with this CRT!
 
Deceived3596 said:
The constant power struggle between Damage and KT on One Piece scaling is amusing to say the least.
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Damage and KT these days:

One Piece Kaido Vs Big Mom Yonko GIF - One Piece Kaido Vs Big Mom Kaido Vs Big Mom Yonko GIFs
 
Eseseso said:
Since uncompressed G4 was >= a Biscuit Soldier, doesn't that make WCI G4 6-C with his compressed attacks?
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Also,

You guys need to learn what compression is

He was compressed, he uncompresses when he shoots the hand
 
Deceived3596 said:
The constant power struggle between Damage and KT on One Piece scaling is amusing to say the least.
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It's not really a struggle. If I hadn't made my earlier downgrade thread, then this thread would have downgraded the characters anyway. I prefer to see it that we're working together to improve the accuracy of the verse.
 
Btw, do Oven and Perospero only scale above Streusen, or does Oven scale to hurting Base Kata while Perospero keeps scaling >= Base Tobiroppo via doing decently against a wounded Neko thanks to Jack's statement?

Also, will Jinbe be "7-A, High 7-A with Fishman Karate"?
 
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