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On the topic of Post Flashpoint Darkseid

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DARKSEID, Post Flash Point

First, his Origin. Troubled my the Gods killing his people,

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FNOSrS_eX2A/UwnyiNzdEbI/AAAAAAAAoVk/21il04QMP9s/s1600/p23.1_3.jpg

Uxas waited for them to fall asleep,tricked them into fighting each other, waited for them to weaken, then killed them and stole their power. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Z92VzMby5Z4/UwnyjqbfHcI/AAAAAAAAoWA/p9phGfTNUdg/s1600/p23.1_5.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-u1LbAGTno_M/UwnyjE1PyiI/AAAAAAAAoV4/jFD3jkCvCLY/s1600/p23.1_6.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-a7iVYegvwbg/UwnymVx96HI/AAAAAAAAoWg/m8Ei_xCjHSo/s1600/p23.1_8.jpg

Becoming... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Whifm0riROI/UwnylAZVaGI/AAAAAAAAoWU/5xwz7W9qUUE/s1600/p23.1_9.jpg

Here i present to you his Feats.

DC, DURABILITY, AND SPEED.

-He discovered there are more Worlds out there.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-G4BiSb-Q--M/UwnyeZ7fC8I/AAAAAAAAoUs/Gy54g-hZ1uo/s1600/p23.1_15.jpg

It is stated that he destroyed a several number of Worlds during his conquest to power.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-oSUvDTaNBss/UwnyfCSh2uI/AAAAAAAAoUw/ubYV7Q0HeNI/s1600/p23.1_16.jpg

In the scan it also shows that he is strong enough to hold open a hole in reality with his bear hands.

ENCOUNTER WITH THE PRIME EARTH JL.

-Tags Superman and One Shots him with the Omega Beams, regardless of how strong and durable Superman can be. http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111215991/4596059-darkseid+superman.png

-They are so fast that not even the Flash could out run them. He had to find them another Target and claims he has never had to catch his breath before.

http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/103530/2292454-2.jpg

-A Superman clone he created and granted him power uses the Omega beams to catch Earth 2 Flash.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114513/3543385-earth-2-018-(2014)-(digital)-(nahga-empire)-11.jpg

-Breaks a Green Lantern's body shield with one shot!

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111215991/4596060-darkseid+green+lantern.jpg

Stomps Hal some more

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111215991/4596062-darkseid+green+lantern+2.jpg

-Gets stabbed in the friggin eye by Wonderwoman's sword. http://www.the-medium-is-not-enough.com/images/JL6_03.jpg1

-Well, her sword can split even an atom. http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111128955/4072413-0817830351-kdMHX.jpg

-He then takes another assault from the combined effort of the Flash and Aquaman.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111215991/4596063-darkseid+trident.png

-He is un phased and simply gets mad while holding their weapons like trinkets. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lis-MwtcnlA/VL3H3GkBcgI/AAAAAAAHdfo/M5pCxXLj3uw/s1600/-126.jpg

-He then tanks an assault from Superman, who tried to push him back to his world through the Boom Tube.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MiDTkNjyxek/VL3H4xAi_9I/AAAAAAAHdgI/5ik1ZbRWryc/s1600/-128.jpg

-Thrugs that off then Fodderizes Superman with a hug even after getting blinded by Wonderwoman and Aquaman.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AE_ysFe6Ki4/VL3H5ONGuxI/AAAAAAAHdf8/6M1jAUbTSAQ/s1600/-129.jpg

Huh. I guess he healed from that.

-Fodderizes the Justice League with a ground stomp.

https://ctpuniverse.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/justice-league_4_panel1.jpg

-Shrugs off Green Lantern's attack

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/green-lantern-vs-darkseid-2.jpg

-Doesn't even notice Wonderwoman and Aquaman punching him. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AE_ysFe6Ki4/VL3H5ONGuxI/AAAAAAAHdf8/6M1jAUbTSAQ/s1600/-129.jpg

ENCOUNTER WITH HIGH FATHER.

-He goes toe to toe with his Brother, High Father. Their brawl destroys a world. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ThzEykvoteI/UwnycgrfG1I/AAAAAAAAoUM/1urpLO0LL2c/s1600/p23.1_11.jpg

ENCOUNTER WITH THE ANTI MONITOR.

-He goes toe to toe with the Anti Monitor.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11115/111154974/4558454-4544602-divergencepr_1280.jpg

And he was actually beating his ass. Omega beams strong enough to pierce through Anti Monitor and hurt him. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-...4-p-rw/Justice+League+%282011-%29+044-015.jpg All that, while Mobius had the Anti Life in his possession. What Makes Mobius so powerful to consider this a big feat??? Well, http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111131586/5104210-5745074843-anti-.jpg

He has also killed several Universes, making this fight fair for both of them. He killed the Superman from Universe 3 with ease. http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2016/02/JL-2.png

Even better, he was stated to have cracked open the Multiverse in his search for the crime Syndicate.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/...57/6258765244968277474?authkey=CJO-6KK4z8n-Pg

His power caused rips in space throughout all the New 52 Universes. http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000...-evil-5-crime-syndicate-secret.jpg?1391628061


The darkseid that fought the justice leauge was an avatar and his true self was the one in Darkseid war so What I suggest

Avatar

Speed: At Least Massively FTL+ with omega beams (Hit the flash) |

Attack Potency : At least Large Planet+ (Casually Beat Post Flashpoint superman Aquaman and wonder Woman)

Durability: At Least Large Planet+ (Took hits from Superman Wonderwoman and aqua man and survived getting eyes stabbed by wonder woman and Aquaman

True Self

Speed: Unkown

Attack Potency: At least Multi-Universal (Cracked the multiverse and kept up with and damaged Anti Monitor)

Durability At least Multi-universal (Took hits from Anti Monitor)


Thanks this is my suggestion credit for feats goes to ===RodneyMutesa AKA- TensaZangetsu From Google+===
 
Well I have a problem with the speed. While yes Barry did need to get another target for the Omega Beam to hit, this was before Barry had gotten faster. So Darkseid shouldn't be MFTL+, also I think you should note that this happened before a bunch of the Justice League members became gods and Flash killed Darkseid so he should be scaled to Darkseid for his Black Racer form. Other than that I think everything in legit.
 
RouninOtaku said:
Well I have a problem with the speed. While yes Barry did need to get another target for the Omega Beam to hit, this was before Barry had gotten faster. So Darkseid shouldn't be MFTL+, also I think you should note that this happened before a bunch of the Justice League members became gods and Flash killed Darkseid so he should be scaled to Darkseid for his Black Racer form. Other than that I think everything in legit.
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Yep well it hit Superman who has MFLT+ feats
 
Superman only has FTL feats in space, on Earth he can only move as fast as lightning which would warrant a MHS+ speed feat from DS.
 
RouninOtaku said:
Superman only has FTL feats in space, on Earth he can only move as fast as lightning which would warrant a MHS+ speed feat from DS.
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When was it stated that he can only go at the speed of Lightning?
 
RouninOtaku said:
Well for combat, but Superman can't fly that fast in Earth's atmoshpere so it's still a MHS+ feat.
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HE caught A beam of light
5058060-batlaser.jpg
 
I contested it but I was assured science driven media likely incoporate real life properties so I don't really have anything against it.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
I contested it but I was assured science driven media likely incoporate real life properties so I don't really have anything against it.
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I meant the darkseid stats
 
Narrators aren't always 100% right. One of the most primary examples is Flash's nuke feat, which was only supposed to be .99c
 
RouninOtaku said:
it's been stated at other moments that he moves as fast as lightning
Also, that was the narrator not Jimmy.
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No read the comic the narration is an excerpt from Jimmys article on supes fighting the monster
 
I don't think we should use to powerscaling to the antimonitor. It wasn't shown to be anywhere near that level of power in that storyline IIRC, as evidence by the Crime Syndicates verse still being very much there.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
I don't think we should use to powerscaling to the antimonitor.
It wasn't shown to be anywhere near that level of power in that storyline IIRC, as evidence by the Crime Syndicates verse still being very much there.
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The crime syndicates verse wasnt there iirc and he was just consuming energy


He cracked the multiverse that is clearly multiuniversal
 
We cannot scale from the COIE Anti-Monitor. He strictly absorbed the energy of the Crime Syndicate's planet, and Superman and Ultraman were almost able to keep up with him during the Darkseid War.

We can, however, scale him from being more powerful than, and apparently of comparative speed to, Post-Flashpoint Superman.
 
I also saw no indications that the Darkseid that fought the Justice League was any less powerful than the one that appeared in the Darkseid War. Avatar either seems like inaccurate speculation, or irrelevant to the context.

In addition, making cracks/portals in the multiverse is not remotely the same thing as destroying entire universes, and the Anti-Monitor stood on a devastated Crime Syndicate Earth in the scene you quoted. He had evidently not remotely destroyed a universe, just ravaged and sucked a planet dry.
 
N52 Anti Monitor is nowhere near universe level. Heck, he didn't even destroy Earth 3, he just killed everyone ther and absorved their life forces.

And where was it stated that the one that fought the Justice League was an avatar?

He has some nice feats in his fight against the Earth 2 heroes, btw.
 
Antvasima said:
I also saw no indications that the Darkseid that fought the Justice League was any less powerful than the one that appeared in the Darkseid War. Avatar either seems like inaccurate speculation, or irrelevant to the context.
In addition, making cracks/portals in the multiverse is not remotely the same thing as destroying entire universes, and the Anti-Monitor stood on a devastated Crime Syndicate Earth in the scene you quoted. He had evidently not remotely destroyed a universe, just ravaged and sucked a planet dry.
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It was stated in darkseid war that the one that fought the justice league was just an avatar
 
Antvasima said:
We cannot scale from the COIE Anti-Monitor. He strictly absorbed the energy of the Crime Syndicate's planet, and Superman and Ultraman were almost able to keep up with him during the Darkseid War.
We can, however, scale him from being more powerful than, and apparently of comparative speed to, Post-Flashpoint Superman.
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the only reason Why Superman GOD OF STRENGTH and Ultraman were able to attack antimonitor was because Superman was a god of strength and Ultraman just ate a huge ammount of kryptonite and they caught him off guard after he wasnt suprised anymore he casually killed amped up Ultraman
 
There was no indication that Superman was boosted to being considerably superior to Ultraman from being dipped into a firepit, and Ultraman strictly went from emancipated to his regular state. This is starting to seem tedious and unreasonable.

Should I close this topic, or should we decide to scale Darkseid to being at least in the same tier as Post-Flashpoint Superman?
 
At Least '''Large Planet level''' seems fine. Should we add Possibly'''Star level''' for being comparable to Green Lantern? IIRC word of god says his power level wasn't retconned.
 
The Large Star level Green Lantern feat happened during Grant Morrison's JLA run, which very much was retconned, as far as I am aware. I do not know of any Post-Flashpoint GL feats of that scale.
 
Btw: Feel free to upgrade Darkseid's statistics to the same as Superman's, with "At least before the attack potency and durability".
 
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