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there is barely even a skill gap + skill won't do anything to the blitz
It does not... Chopper is always in human / animal hybrid form same with other Zoan users
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Of Tigers & Leopards. Garfiel Tinsel Vs Rob Lucci
- Thread starter The_man_with_the_Midas_touch
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a blitz is statuing which it was... Only their perception Amp speed could keep up... Not their movement speed at all
This proves his regen won't work...
Imagine he's in that position plus getting attacked many times more
Zabazab
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Blitz = They can't do anything before you do.
Statuing = You perceive them as being completely frozen.
You didn't read the quote, clearly.
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Same thing..? But the bottom thing happened... Even tho she could read him, she couldn't move at all from her original position
This? Lucci would be fast enough to attack more before that activates. + with insanely higher lifting strength can remove him from the ground and keeping him in the air
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Zabazab
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This sounds like headcanon.
This assumes he knows about the strength of Garfiel's regeneration, and about the existence of his Divine Blessing, and that Garfiel wouldn't just break Lucci's arms if he tried to lift him.
Not to mention his Beastification which is always an option for one-shotting or healing a wound he can't heal normally.
Fezzih_007
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Oh, that's a easy question.
The answer is, It don't have a time limit, so that's not a problem.
He gonna predict and do what? Even If he can predict he gonna be punched in the face, since he can't move fast enough to block or dodge, he just get punched in the face.
For that instance, because of the speed gap, i kinda doubt he would be able to predict very good while getting speedblitz.
The hits It, Garf can't barely land It, and Lucci himself can take punishement like nobody.
Is not in theory, but is not very likely before Lucci just, crush demage his heart or brain until he Go down.
If you talking about the fact he can train a entire week without getting tired, is hardly comparable of him fighting to death against a trained asaasins for hours like Lucci.
He not gonna his Mana anyway, so
Fezzih_007
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Zabazab
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Do you not know that Garfiel's strength and regen all comes from Mana? And yeah he couldn't stop doing squats and was fine after a week straight, because his Blessing is constantly restoring his stamina.If you talking about the fact he can train a entire week without getting tired, is hardly comparable of him fighting to death against a trained asaasins for hours like Lucci.
He not gonna his Mana anyway, so
What are you talking about? There's nothing to notice.
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Literally is not... That's literally the showings if it, even in the anime she's stationary to compared to his speed
Too slow plus Lucci has all the time to figure it out, he could figure out how gear 2nd works, so he'll be able to do the same with his healing
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regens quicker when he's on ground...
Magicomethkuon
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I've been on a rerun of the Summit War Saga these days and can confirm that Sandersonia and Marigold were either getting statued or very close to that, since Luffy was straight up chilling and standing still a few times during their match, or throwing Jet Gattling while already being surrounded by their special moves and they couldn't do shit about it even though he only bothered to initiate the move when they were already way closer to comfort than he should be letting them be.
Fezzih_007
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Yeah sure, but my point is that's not comparable to this situation.
One is Garfiel doing physical training for a entire week without getting tired
This situation is he fighting a trained assasin, that can demage his vital organs, while also being speedblitz and getting hit by attacks from all directions.
While it is a good stamina feet, is still not equivalent to fighting to the death. One is way more strenuous than the other.
Yeah, what he said,
Zabazab
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Then you've got people like Groovy who don't have a Blessing constantly restoring their stamina and yet can travel across a nation for ten days, fighting off enemies, without any food, water, or sleep.
He's not gonna be off the ground long enough for this to be noticeable, and even then it's a tiny detail. In fact, with just his Blessing it'd take a few hours to regen a mangled limb, most of his healing ability comes from his magic.
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there is a massive skill gap and you are delusional for acting like there isnt, I have noticed a pattern with you not acknowledging that other verses (in this case rz) can be better in skill. I usually dont call people out but this one is a bit too blatant
it doesnt need to "activate" it is always on
Fezzih_007
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Yeah, Groovy is cool.
Would't he? Considering Garfiel resilience, they gonna be fighting for a while there, so there's plenty chance he could pick up that. Like, most of Lucci moves are trowing people into the air, there's the unliky chance he could get suspicious.
Is also not exactly all his healing, Lucci can also noticed If Garf stamina is coming back.
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Says the one who blatantly lies and doesn't follow the things that's on the profiles... Both characters have gifted intelligence so stop acting like there's a skill Gap at all
I can also easily argue Lucci having higher skills by comparing him to luffy who's genius in combat intelligence or comparing him to Zoro and Kaku and having feats of his own but it's pointless anyway, you'll just ignore everything and twist it, it doesn't matter because garfiel loses because of the insane speed disadvantage and skills will barely matter in this situation
When he has his feet on the ground... Something Lucci has all the time to figure out with his speed
He can easily grab him with his thousands of times stronger LS and keep his body immobile to where he can attack him in various ways... He isn't immortal or anything
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People really do be caring a lot about two fodders.
Anyway, Gear 2nd is factually an amp that's reaction-blitzing anyone on par with the user's base, and Hybrid form is equal, and Soru is faster than the user's own perception, so that would be a thing that worked, but I maintain that Lucci isn't just going "SORUSORUSORUSORUSORU" with barrage attacks like some kind of Part 5 Stand User whose gimmick is being dressed up in a cheap fursuit. It's worth noting that Luffy also has analytical prediction, and was able to counter Kuro, whose top attack is currently rated as being comparable to CP9's Soru in speed, so he was able to counter a perception blitz through strategy, but was still not skillsmacking Lucci(albeit that analytical prediction speed didn't really happen a lot afterward, and Kuro is kinda stupid, so idk what's going on there).
Honestly, the main way Lucci loses is if he starts going bonkers and using shit like his Full Zoan, which he would only whip out if he got his ass whooped a bit beforehand and went full carnivore.
Anyway, Gear 2nd is factually an amp that's reaction-blitzing anyone on par with the user's base, and Hybrid form is equal, and Soru is faster than the user's own perception, so that would be a thing that worked, but I maintain that Lucci isn't just going "SORUSORUSORUSORUSORU" with barrage attacks like some kind of Part 5 Stand User whose gimmick is being dressed up in a cheap fursuit. It's worth noting that Luffy also has analytical prediction, and was able to counter Kuro, whose top attack is currently rated as being comparable to CP9's Soru in speed, so he was able to counter a perception blitz through strategy, but was still not skillsmacking Lucci(albeit that analytical prediction speed didn't really happen a lot afterward, and Kuro is kinda stupid, so idk what's going on there).
Honestly, the main way Lucci loses is if he starts going bonkers and using shit like his Full Zoan, which he would only whip out if he got his ass whooped a bit beforehand and went full carnivore.
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He literally did do that against luffy in his zoan form tho when fighting seriously...
Kuro's speed Amp isn't even comparable the Soru of Lucci, Soru is a skill based speed Amp by utilizing the strength of your legs by kicking the ground more than ten times in an instant with timing, momentum and precision... He currently scales to the slowest soru user. Luffy couldn't precieve someone like blueno's soru, then after 1 day, gets stronger and was able to perceive him in base and keep up with his soru which he couldn't do against lucci
And how luffy was able to counter kuro was by utilizing his instinct and senses to anticipate his movement and using insanely skilled timing to catch him when he's about to attack, which is a slight opening that's a decrease in speed. Luffy would not be able to do that if kuro was able to precieve his surroundings
He uses that mostly for higher piercing damage
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I didn't say he wasn't using it a lot, I was saying he doesn't just do Soru Barrages(although he does have Kamisori, which is somewhat similar) constantly, and definitely not immediately.He literally did do that against luffy in his zoan form tho when fighting seriously...
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I'm gonna vote Lucci FRA.
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Kamisori is both soru and geppo combined... Soo you agree he spams it
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Voting for Lucci via the reasons above.
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I think it's safe to say he does it whenever it's practical to do so. Not every movement is amped by Soru/Kamisori, but whenever he wants to close distance or outmaneuver Garfiel he's likely going to use it. Especially if he realizes Garfiel is physically strong enough to break through his Tekkai.
Anyway, gonna add @XSOULOFCINDERX & @TheRustyOne to the vote tally in a sec.
Anyway, gonna add @XSOULOFCINDERX & @TheRustyOne to the vote tally in a sec.
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That's almost like something I might have literally said in my message.
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Thought you didn't know kamisori was the usage of soru
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Nope, I said Kamisori was the closest thing to the Soru barrage bit, but slightly different. It is just Soru in the air though.
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Garf is usually always transformed in fights. How do you not know this?
VortechsTG
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Voting for garfiel fra and also the fact that he realistically scales like dozens of times above the current 200 megaton feat...
VortechsTG
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Like, I'm not sure this matchup should even be allowed at this point because he's been beating the shit out of a dragon, and it's humanoid child who is waaaaaaay weaker was, without even a scratch, tanking attacks from characters who scale to the feat, just like Meruem tanking Netero's attacks.
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Crazy
VortechsTG
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He also has power mimicry although that still needs a qrt and we'll probably be seeing more examples of him using it within the next couple weeks anyway so it's not really a good time for that. We're yet to see the full extent of the powers he's picked up.
Speaking of which, he can reflect any blunt force attacks including ones stronger than him.
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Wait, is this character like, a current antagonist? Is he still going through his arc?
VortechsTG
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He's one of the main characters. He's not an antagonist.
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Ah. If he's still doing shit, this match might be irrelevant in a bit.
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If he's gotten stronger than his initial appearance shouldn't his profile just have multiple keys then-
VortechsTG
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Well kinda, yeah. But he's scaled above the current value since we met him and the verse is kinda short on calculated feats atm so there isn't really a better one to scale him to...
Like I said, he should get a qrt at some point soon. Probably as soon as the current arc is over. Hopefully something can be done about it there.
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waiting for the "7A, 6A with RE"
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This was basically Post-TS Lucci's scaling for a while.
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