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This is true. SBA starting distance.
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Of Tigers & Leopards. Garfiel Tinsel Vs Rob Lucci
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That means he starts fights without using his Rokushiki. You'd have to prove otherwise.That was before using his six powers abilities just to fight normal against luffy, he has no reason to do that against this enemy
You can't just say "Lucci has no reason to do that against the enemy" when if anything Lucci would've used it against Luffy seeing how he's literally a criminal, a worse target and enemy to him AND THE GOVERNMENT, than Garfiel is.
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???? what??
I'm literally going page by page, chapter by chapter. If Lucci wanted to stop/distract Luffy, he would've just blitzed Luffy with Soru every time to permanently stop him. That's way more effective than actively taking damage and clashing with him.
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after luffy ignored him did he start using his Rokushiki abilities
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What you believe literally doesn't matter against what Lucci actually did
He faught with him in base with no abilities and once luffy ignored him and try to go after Robin, he stopped him and started to not hold back
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because he's not there to distract/stop his opponent? He's there to kill him?
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He's there to stop and arrest Luffy, something he can only do if he beats Luffy.
He's here so he can fight and defeat Garfiel, something he can only do if he beats Garfiel.
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I think the transformation debate is really silly now Icl.
Garfeil beating Lucci before he can transform relies on:
1) Lucci not realizing Garfeil is a major threat BEFORE Garfiel lands a solid hit on him. Keep in mind SBA distance means Lucci would already have a chance to test Garfiel power by using Rankyaku, and the fact that Garfiel's fighting spirit has a threatening aura that already raises the likelihood of Lucci deciding to transform.
2) Lucci being effectively stunlocked once Garfiel hits him, to the point that, despite being equal in speed, he can't get off ANY technique to get away. Despite Tekkai having no prepatory motions, and Zoan transformations being thought-based.
Is this a win-con? Sure. But it's really weird to bank literally your entire argument on it lol, I don't think it's that likely.
Garfeil beating Lucci before he can transform relies on:
1) Lucci not realizing Garfeil is a major threat BEFORE Garfiel lands a solid hit on him. Keep in mind SBA distance means Lucci would already have a chance to test Garfiel power by using Rankyaku, and the fact that Garfiel's fighting spirit has a threatening aura that already raises the likelihood of Lucci deciding to transform.
2) Lucci being effectively stunlocked once Garfiel hits him, to the point that, despite being equal in speed, he can't get off ANY technique to get away. Despite Tekkai having no prepatory motions, and Zoan transformations being thought-based.
Is this a win-con? Sure. But it's really weird to bank literally your entire argument on it lol, I don't think it's that likely.
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This is literally the first interaction and he did not held back, when he was going to kill luffy he literally straight up just used soru to kill him
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This is literally the first interaction and he did not held back, when he was going to kill luffy he literally straight up just used soru to kill him
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Tbf Lucci already knew that Luffy was no threat to him in base, and had no knowledge of Gears that would kick his ass being a thing because he had just kicked everyone's asses a few chapters ago...by transforming against a Luffy who couldn't lay a finger on him in base either. I think he knew that Luffy had a more or less quote-even-unquote fight against Blueno but that was it.
Garfiel has an aura that screams how much of bad news he is. There's also no reason Lucci wouldn't be able to realize that he both can keep up with him and is hitting harder.
In the absence of prior, outdated intel that says low power level, kick his ass, initial distance, speed equal and amps there's nothing to say that Lucci doesn't get the literal minimum time that he needs the fight to extend through to transform. Or that he doesn't just go yolo and transforms right off the bat anyways for the heck of it.
Garfiel has an aura that screams how much of bad news he is. There's also no reason Lucci wouldn't be able to realize that he both can keep up with him and is hitting harder.
In the absence of prior, outdated intel that says low power level, kick his ass, initial distance, speed equal and amps there's nothing to say that Lucci doesn't get the literal minimum time that he needs the fight to extend through to transform. Or that he doesn't just go yolo and transforms right off the bat anyways for the heck of it.
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ur literally proving my pointThis is literally the first interaction and he did not held back, when he was going to kill luffy he literally straight up just used soru to kill him
he blocked luffy's attack and tanked it with tekkai before blitzing with Soru
If he tries to block Garfiel's attack he will literally break his hand in an attempt to do so
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Because he's stronger than luffy? If there's an attack that will damage him, he'll try to dodge with soru...ur literally proving my point
he blocked luffy's attack and tanked it with tekkai before blitzing with Soru
If he tries to block Garfiel's attack he will literally break his hand in an attempt to do so
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Good point on the aura. That does bring my analysis of the fight into more question, because even more so Lucci with his Zoan senses would definitely feel threatened by his aura.
Err, in speed equal with a 5x ap gap you are DEFINITELY getting stun locked the **** LOL
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He's not stronger, he's equally matched to Luffy and the profile literally states it as such.Because he's stronger that luffy? If there's an attack that will damage him, he'll try to dodge with soru...
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"Lol" is crazy considering how flimsy your argument has been this whole time, icl.
It's MUCH more likely that, by the time Garfiel closes the distance, Lucci would be using Tekkai. He has literally nothing to gain from enduring the attack otherwise, especially since he'd already know Garfiel is a threat. Either by his aura or the fact that he'd have likely dodged/tanked a ranged attack from Lucci at that point.
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Things Garfiel has;
- AP advantage of course, he scales way above 205 Megatons.
- Really good instinctive action.
- The ability to roughly tell how strong someone is (excluding hax) and what type of martial arts they train in (if any).
- The Divine Blessing of Earth Spirits: As long as his feet are on the ground, the earth's blessing pours Mana into him. He has a tough guard of earth on his body, can manipulate the earth to move, sink, or explode, and accelarate recovery of his wounds and stamina. However when he is in a position where his feet aren't on the ground, his combat power will drop due to him being used to the Blessing supporting him.
- Beastification: He can partially or fully transform into a golden tiger, which has far greater power. However fully transforming can affect his ability to reason, massively reducing his skill in combat.
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Voting Lucci with his many speed amps making not Garfiel be able to ever land a hit
And able to spam long ranged cutting attacks as well as combined with dura neg abilities he'll easily be able to land via his speed
There's not much Garfiel can do against that
And able to spam long ranged cutting attacks as well as combined with dura neg abilities he'll easily be able to land via his speed
There's not much Garfiel can do against that
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WHAT???
Yo I must be going crazy.
How has my logic been flimsy? I recognized the aura part and even said that puts my argument into question, because that's the ONLY reason why I'd see Lucci actually transforming on sight. That's the ONLY argument that you've used against mine that was actually valid.
I forgot about Garfiel's aura, and I was arguing under the assumption that Lucci would have no idea how strong he was and would try to BLOCK or PARRY his attacks like he did against Luffy, and OBVIOUSLY with a 5X GAP in AP, Lucci COULDN'T be able to fight back unless you assume that Garfiel RANDOMLY allows him to get a breather and transform.
If Garfiel was 1.5x or 2x stronger than Lucci, then I'd completely get why you'd think my argument is flimsy (as in, the stunlock/heavy blows), BUT A 5 TIMES GAP? HELLO??
My argument was literally IF Garfiel gets a hit, which I RECGONIZED in the first page, is likely. I wasn't saying Lucci CAN'T Speed blitz Garfiel, or that Lucci CAN'T win, I was saying that IF Garfiel ACTUALLY manages to hit him (this is before the aura argument mind you), then Garfiel WOULD win.
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Ok you know what, fair enough. My bad. I think I misunderstood the purpose of your argument here.
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And we're explaining how that's insanely unlikely to happen which you've been fighting against... That's all
Lucci with his tekkai is 2x under Garfiel, he'd still be fine plus he transforms when he's fighting seriously
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All good dude, holy shit I got heated so forgive me for that.
As for the match itself, I'll retract my vote for now because everything changes now that Lucci is far far more likely to transform than I originally anticipated, due to Garfiel's overwhelming aura.
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I would like to point out that Garfiel does have several abilities that would help against someone with a speed advantage.
Perception Manipulation (Can reach perfect focus, making his opponent all that remains in his consciousness. By doing this all light, sound and unnecessary thing is removed from his field of view and he perceives everything in slow motion[17]),
Instinctive Action (Can move faster than his mind can think, reacting with sheer instinct.[3] Fights on the level of Garfiel are immediate, with no delay between decision making and action,[17] with the slightest delay being exploited by their opponent[17]),
Analytical Prediction (Superior to Emilia who dodged a rain of arrows by reading the shooters intent.[19] He can also predict the path of his opponents attacks[20])
Someone whose more knowledgeable on Re Zero could explain these in detail, but I'm just putting it out there.
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all ready know about this... But it doesn't matter when the speed Amp is in the blitz levels
One Amp of Soru is blitz level, combined with his transformation, hes even faster... And with his transformation and soru it's not even comparable at all
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I care very little about Re:Zero, and have read none of that shit, but even then, I know Lucci has a might not be winning.
Mr. Garfield:
-Far higher AP, even higher with his transformation. His base beats Lucci's Tekkai or Zoan amps. I think he actually scales somewhat above the values used as well.
-Can sense danger, presences, auras, and in general has very good sensory abilities. He can also perceive things in slow motion by eliminating everything outside of the fight from his senses.
-Has Earth Manip within a few dozen meters
-Has Mid-Low Regen in base, and Low-Mid with his transformation.
-Can cause shockwaves with a roar.
-Actively causes pain with his aura.
-Can fight after being injured badly, being drained of mana, and then trading blows with some dude, through sheer tenacity.
-Has Instinctive Action, allowing him to move before he thinks.
-Uses Analytical Prediction above people who could predict the path of attacks through intent alone.
-Can redirect attacks in different directions through skill with his two shields, creating openings.
-Can exercise for a full week without getting tired.
Lucci:
-Has better LS
-Has higher mobility via Geppo
-Might possibly be able to use Haki, even though he never did until Egghead
-Is blitz levels above his normal self with Soru
-Outranges with Rankyaku
-Can use Tekkai while standing still, allowing him to handle the enemy attacks without being overpowered. He can also send the force back to the attacker sometimes. Hybrid Tekkai should be able to handle the opponent's base attacks.
-Can use Shigan to amp his power via piercing damage, with hybrid Shigan likely being able to keep up with the opponent's base. He can also fire Shigan attacks up to tens of meters by flicking.
-Can use Kami-e to avoid attacks, and Kami-e Bushin to reduce his Hybrid Form's size and weight.
-Will use Rokugan if all else fails, negating durability.
Mr. Garfield:
-Far higher AP, even higher with his transformation. His base beats Lucci's Tekkai or Zoan amps. I think he actually scales somewhat above the values used as well.
-Can sense danger, presences, auras, and in general has very good sensory abilities. He can also perceive things in slow motion by eliminating everything outside of the fight from his senses.
-Has Earth Manip within a few dozen meters
-Has Mid-Low Regen in base, and Low-Mid with his transformation.
-Can cause shockwaves with a roar.
-Actively causes pain with his aura.
-Can fight after being injured badly, being drained of mana, and then trading blows with some dude, through sheer tenacity.
-Has Instinctive Action, allowing him to move before he thinks.
-Uses Analytical Prediction above people who could predict the path of attacks through intent alone.
-Can redirect attacks in different directions through skill with his two shields, creating openings.
-Can exercise for a full week without getting tired.
Lucci:
-Has better LS
-Has higher mobility via Geppo
-Might possibly be able to use Haki, even though he never did until Egghead
-Is blitz levels above his normal self with Soru
-Outranges with Rankyaku
-Can use Tekkai while standing still, allowing him to handle the enemy attacks without being overpowered. He can also send the force back to the attacker sometimes. Hybrid Tekkai should be able to handle the opponent's base attacks.
-Can use Shigan to amp his power via piercing damage, with hybrid Shigan likely being able to keep up with the opponent's base. He can also fire Shigan attacks up to tens of meters by flicking.
-Can use Kami-e to avoid attacks, and Kami-e Bushin to reduce his Hybrid Form's size and weight.
-Will use Rokugan if all else fails, negating durability.
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yee... He won't be able to heal fast enough against attacks that damages his internal
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Would that regeneration work on having his organs directly damaged or ruptured?
One of Lucci's techniques, Rokuogan, creates an intense shockwave that pierces through the opponent's body to damage their internals.
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Soru, I understand, but he is not going to be repeatedly using Rokugan.
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He has no reason not to if his other attacks aren't doing enough damage, same thing he did with luffy and kept spamming it
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yee it would work but not if his main internal organ gets continuously damaged or gets damaged on his heart, Lucci can still spam it via speed until it works
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It's over, Garfiel........
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ohh Damn, the LS difference is insane
I forgot fully the full speed rating of lucci, his transformation is also like a blitz Amp above, it's able to kinda keep up with gear 2nd luffy which completely blitzes your movement speed and obs Haki users, and he combines that with Soru + Kamisori amp as well
I forgot fully the full speed rating of lucci, his transformation is also like a blitz Amp above, it's able to kinda keep up with gear 2nd luffy which completely blitzes your movement speed and obs Haki users, and he combines that with Soru + Kamisori amp as well
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not the Lucci Tear oh lord
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