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Object Show General Discussion Thread: New Friendly

James_Plays_4_Games said:
What if Four's laser is weaker than his other attacks? It took many hits for Four to almost kill Gelatin during BFB 3, and Stapy survived Four's beam during BFB 6.
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I guess, but X lazer was one shooting other contenstants in the end of the video and X is overall a lot weaker them four, but would sure be a good anwser to this paradox
James_Plays_4_Games said:
That's something specific to abilities like reality warping so people can understand the extent of the reality warping. For other abilities, other subset applications of abilities are listed if they're unnatural or via physical capabilities like super speed. Preventing someone's death by affecting the past is both natural and can be commonly seen.

It's believable that other characters could also keep their memories after being temporally set to a previous point in time, but we don't have evidence of it. You'd need to come up with a clever description to justify it
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Fair
James_Plays_4_Games said:
It can be written that unlike real black holes, Black Hole's deconstruction is selective, and the fire around Marker can be used as good evidence of that being the case.
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This would contradict with every time he killed someone by acident, whem he didn't wanted to get closer to puff ball to not kill them and whem he acidentaly sucked all the blocks on his team stack, not to mention every time he was used to trow people jumpig from a higher place to a even higher one, trough would explain how death pact was not sucked in the "spin the swing" chalenge
James_Plays_4_Games said:
It also led to the funny statement of Four and X being highly skilled at "cocking". Of course, I know that you meant "cooking". 😆
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Ops 💀
 
JustANormalLemon said:
I guess, but X lazer was one shooting other contenstants in the end of the video and X is overall a lot weaker them four, but would sure be a good anwser to this paradox
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X launched the contestants off-screen; we don't know that they died. Stapy surviving getting shot by Four's beam in the same way during BFB 6 is good evidence of this being consistent.
This would contradict with every time he killed someone by acident, whem he didn't wanted to get closer to puff ball to not kill them and whem he acidentaly sucked all the blocks on his team stack, not to mention every time he was used to trow people jumpig from a higher place to a even higher one, trough would explain how death pact was not sucked in the "spin the swing" chalenge
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You make convincing points, so maybe you're right about fire manipulation, since maybe Black Hole can only do this to gaseous things. What do you think about the possibility of Black Hole being able to drag objects off of characters?
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
X launched the contestants off-screen; we don't know that they died. Stapy surviving getting shot by Four's beam in the same way during BFB 6 is good evidence of this being consistent.
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That makes sense, works for me

James_Plays_4_Games said:
You make convincing points, so maybe you're right about fire manipulation, since maybe Black Hole can only do this to gaseous things. What do you think about the possibility of Black Hole being able to drag objects off of characters?
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This kinda make sense, remnebr in BFB 1 whem he pulled the lid of flower cyanite jar? Thinking here what probable happened is that he controlled his gravitational pull to just be strongh enough to pull something as dense as fire but not as much as Marker, this would also work for almost all cenarios except the spin the swing one... I guess the best thing would be to mention the inconsistence of his pull on his profile and be done with It
 
JustANormalLemon said:
This kinda make sense, remnebr in BFB 1 whem he pulled the lid of flower cyanite jar? Thinking here what probable happened is that he controlled his gravitational pull to just be strongh enough to pull something as dense as fire but not as much as Marker, this would also work for almost all cenarios except the spin the swing one... I guess the best thing would be to mention the inconsistence of his pull on his profile and be done with It
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I agree. Good, so that's everything covered between the two of us.
 
JustANormalLemon said:
And talkig about Evil Leaf pocket dimension, just trough of a thing, sinse to scape It the freesmart had to go in the outside of evil leafy, meaning that evil leafy pocket dimension isn't completly a pocket dimension and part of It is present in the outside of evil leafy

So the bugs did destroyed the entire pocket dimension by killing "huge pink evil leafy"

Trough your concers may be acctually directed to the fact that we can't be sure all "evil" characters have a pocket dimension I guess?
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Giant Pink Evil Leafy is the same species as Evil Leafy (Just look at their names being similar), so she should scale to her by having a similar pocket dimension inside of her. I was already intending on fixing the justifications anyways since solid proof that I never noticed at the time was already there.
James_Plays_4_Games said:
Maybe I missed it being stated that Yoyle Metal is immune to lasers. What I remembered is that the lasers didn't work because Yoyle Metal is the strongest kind of metal.
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Yoyle Metal does enhance durability, but Snowball was only able to no-sell some of Four’s weaker attacks, as he would get sent flying from a full-force attack later on.
James_Plays_4_Games said:
You mean Two did that. Anyway, yes, it's of interest. I think it's a perspective manipulation feat, since Two moved the Sun without touching it, only while seeming like they touched it.
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That’s more like a high level of reality warping/toon force/telekinesis/size manipulation if you ask me.
James_Plays_4_Games said:
It also led to the funny statement of Four and X being highly skilled at "cocking". Of course, I know that you meant "cooking". 😆
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Rule 34 moment
 
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Psychomaster35 said:
That’s more like a high level of reality warping/toon force/telekinesis/size manipulation if you ask me.
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Na, I will go one by one

Would be to much of a jump to just say that two has reallity warping all of the sundle while It was something never touched in the show

Toon force is quite a good take as the feat is similar to bubble andd ice playing with stars, but sinse It's not the first time two messed with the perspctive of the sun I would say perspective manipulation works good here

TK don't really work sinse he was directly interacting with the sun using the plate, while he never touch a object directly while using TK to move It

Two has never show size manipulation and even if four has It I think we shouldn't go directly stating It is

I think Perspective manipulation + Toon force works the best
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Na, I will go one by one

Would be to much of a jump to just say that two has reallity warping all of the sundle while It was something never touched in the show

Toon force is quite a good take as the feat is similar to bubble andd ice playing with stars, but sinse It's not the first time two messed with the perspctive of the sun I would say perspective manipulation works good here

TK don't really work sinse he was directly interacting with the sun using the plate, while he never touch a object directly while using TK to move It

Two has never show size manipulation and even if four has It I think we shouldn't go directly stating It is

I think Perspective manipulation + Toon force works the best
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There’s no such thing as Perspective Manipulation, only Perception Manipulation, but that’s not remotely close as they are in no way warping anyone’s perspectives. And considering how Two is a being with limitless power who has been shown to create things which falls under reality warping, I’d say it’s just reality warping.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
That’s more like a high level of reality warping/toon force/telekinesis/size manipulation if you ask me.

There’s no such thing as Perspective Manipulation, only Perception Manipulation, but that’s not remotely close as they are in no way warping anyone’s perspectives. And considering how Two is a being with limitless power who has been shown to create things which falls under reality warping, I’d say it’s just reality warping.
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I forgot that perspective manipulation isn't an official ability, but either way, I was thinking that Two achieved it via at least one of the abilities you proposed anyway, so we're on the same page. 👍
Does you only addressing a small amount of points in post number 245 mean that you agree with the rest the conclusions that JustANormalLemon and I reached?
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
I forgot that perspective manipulation isn't an official ability, but either way, I was thinking that Two achieved it via at least one of the abilities you proposed anyway, so we're on the same page. 👍
Does you only addressing a small amount of points in post number 245 mean that you agree with the rest the conclusions that JustANormalLemon and I reached?
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Yes
 
James_Plays_4_Games said:
X launched the contestants off-screen; we don't know that they died. Stapy surviving getting shot by Four's beam in the same way during BFB 6 is good evidence of this being consistent.
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Oh, I trough of a argument against It, Lightning, tree and fanny where in four side that we can 100% say where deat after four transmutation, so If even the death prevention team was willing to go head first to a death sentense to try to get some of Four and X food why would the ones trow away by X laser not just go back to charge into them again? awnser, they are dead as well, or at least incapcitated, but sinse Four is killing them I doubt X was just incapacitating
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Oh, I trough of a argument against It, Lightning, tree and fanny where in four side that we can 100% say where deat after four transmutation, so If even the death prevention team was willing to go head first to a death sentense to try to get some of Four and X food why would the ones trow away by X laser not just go back to charge into them again? awnser, they are dead as well, or at least incapcitated, but sinse Four is killing them I doubt X was just incapacitating
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I'm pretty sure none of the characters wanted to die, but they were all too distracted by their goal of stealing the food to notice which sides were doing which actions. Besides, in the case that X was incapacitating the characters, which I think was the case, Lightning, Tree and Fanny wouldn't have noticed the benefit of that side fast enough before they got too close to Four. Incapacitated bodies and dead bodies probably look similar at a glance.
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Oh, I trough of a argument against It, Lightning, tree and fanny where in four side that we can 100% say where deat after four transmutation, so If even the death prevention team was willing to go head first to a death sentense to try to get some of Four and X food why would the ones trow away by X laser not just go back to charge into them again? awnser, they are dead as well, or at least incapcitated, but sinse Four is killing them I doubt X was just incapacitating
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There isn’t confirmation that the ones beamed away by X died
 
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just give Bot profile a look while looking for battles for a character I made and noticed some things...

Intelligence: Below Average (Was programmed to have the same personality as Bow. Despite this, they act less sassy, friendlier, and less competitive overall)

Weaknesses: Will begin to experience a short circuit if anyone mentions anything related to Bow’s death due to how they are unable to process them[10], such as chairs or Marshmallow.
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This 2 are really outdated, Their inteligence is at least averge after discovering them selfs and They don't have this weakness anymore, both only apply to early seasson 3 and not late seasson 3

also...

Gender: Nonbinary (Uses they/them pronouns[1]), Female in appearance
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Does that part is needed? and they really should only have "Gender: Genderless" in there instead thanks to them beingh a robot, or "Gender: Genderless, Nonbinary"
 
JustANormalLemon said:
This 2 are really outdated, Their inteligence is at least averge after discovering them selfs and They don't have this weakness anymore, both only apply to early seasson 3 and not late seasson 3
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Nobody mentions chairs or Marshmallow afterward, but I will admit their intelligence is outdated.
JustANormalLemon said:
Does that part is needed? and they really should only have "Gender: Genderless" in there instead thanks to them beingh a robot, or "Gender: Genderless, Nonbinary"
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Yeah, I do recall some nonbinary character profiles having a gender based on their appearance.
 
I just gave the rules of the wiki a look and...
  • Always consistently use the preferred pronouns of transgender characters in their character profile pages. The "Gender" section of our profiles should also not make note of a character's biological sex over or alongside their currently chosen gender identity, such as by using terms like "assigned female at birth", "assigned male at birth", "trans male", or "trans woman". For further information, click here.
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Probable just leave "Nonbinary" would be better
 
Also... we are really saying they look female?
The only thing They have on their aperance that resembles the female gender is that They have a similar shape to Bow :V They don't even have the eyelashs anymore, not only It's really strange to have to put a description of their aperance to a profile that literaly has their image but is also objectivaly wrong :V

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tbh saying "female in appearance" is pretty offensive. I believe female in appearance is something noted for Eldrich gods who utilize avatars (tbh it shouldn't be on there but not really for offense but rather just unnecessary)

but specifically for a trans character, it's pretty cringe to do
 
CuteAnimeNekoGirl99 said:
tbh saying "female in appearance" is pretty offensive. I believe female in appearance is something noted for Eldrich gods who utilize avatars (tbh it shouldn't be on there but not really for offense but rather just unnecessary)

but specifically for a trans character, it's pretty cringe to do
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Ye, that's kinda what I was tring to say... It's completly unecessary

Sinse It's a really small change I don't think a CRT is needed to remove It from their profile
 
CuteAnimeNekoGirl99 said:
tbh saying "female in appearance" is pretty offensive. I believe female in appearance is something noted for Eldrich gods who utilize avatars (tbh it shouldn't be on there but not really for offense but rather just unnecessary)

but specifically for a trans character, it's pretty cringe to do
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There are actual robots such as the Terminator or Cosmic Armor Superman who are stated to be male in appearance despite technically having no gender, so I don’t see the problem with that.
 
Bot don't even look famale to starters 😭 and this 2 characters where not writen to be nonbinary

And It also fell wrong and unecessary in this 2 characters any way

This is mostly bad profile writing and also goes against the wiki rules as I stated before
 
Psychomaster35 said:
There are actual robots such as the Terminator or Cosmic Armor Superman who are stated to be male in appearance despite technically having no gender, so I don’t see the problem with that.
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I think tack onto the opinion of Lemon here tbh. Since it is literally a sentient bow I understand our society codes fictional characters with objects such as the pink bow she was designed after but that is often considered to be quite reductive and well. sexist (when I say this I don't mean any ill will or even imply you had any mal intentions when placing on a tiny bit of text you give your own reasoning on why you do and it doesn't have anything to do with that and also you are a pretty chill fellow)

I think it's just overall unnecessary and got me tugging on my shirt collar a lil bit also a bit unfitting for a gender section to note appearance. To comment on the "feminity" of Bot's appearance is a bit offensive as to say someone whose gender does not fall under male or female to look female feels. a bit bad especially given they are coded as AFAB originally
 
CuteAnimeNekoGirl99 said:
I think tack onto the opinion of Lemon here tbh. Since it is literally a sentient bow I understand our society codes fictional characters with objects such as the pink bow she was designed after but that is often considered to be quite reductive and well. sexist (when I say this I don't mean any ill will or even imply you had any mal intentions when placing on a tiny bit of text you give your own reasoning on why you do and it doesn't have anything to do with that and also you are a pretty chill fellow)

I think it's just overall unnecessary and got me tugging on my shirt collar a lil bit also a bit unfitting for a gender section to note appearance. To comment on the "feminity" of Bot's appearance is a bit offensive as to say someone whose gender does not fall under male or female to look female feels. a bit bad especially given they are coded as AFAB originally
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Bot (At least their pre-III 13 design) is supposed to be modeled after Bow, who is female. And no, I’m not a sexist. I’m just going off of other profiles I saw as reference for formatting. There is no issue with adding “X in appearance”. If anything, that should be referring their pre-III 13 design.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Bot is supposed to be modeled after Bow, who is female. And no, I’m not a sexist. I’m just going off of other profiles I saw as reference for formatting.
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I must be clear this is not to say anything about you personally. You're a chill fellow who I have no reason to believe holds reductive views against women or trans people. Please do not hold these as accusations towards you as they are not please note this I have 0 ill will in mentioning this

it's more to point out a couple of things
  • I think the biggest thing is the trans aspect of this and this is coming from a trans woman mind you. Noting a nonbinary character looks feminine is offensive it's just generally disrespectful to one's gender identity
  • Robots may also do it but all of these characters didn't have gender identity in mind. Also there is a big difference compared to Bot and the Terminator by a large margin the terminator is completely inhuman. Bot is treated as human as the other objects the terminator is just a straight killing machine and cosmic armor superman is just very disconnected to humanity compared to Bot. We then should use the conventions of gender we use for other characters such as Price Tag or Winner
  • Also I guess to note that because other profiles do it doesn't mean it's ok. Lemon has pointed out on how Fandom might not like it but just especially when it comes to bot
 
JustANormalLemon said:
Seens good, but you sure they are averge human level?
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yeah, ONE is a very grounded verse in terms of the contestants Liam is likely baseline athlete level at this point given that Amelia has gotten these characters regular exercise in their life improving their bodies drastically

Airy doesn't scale to this. He lives a decently active life having to cut down trees but it is a task that is tiring to him and there's just not much to go off of in terms of that aside from being overpowered by Liam
 
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