NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO [[Drink a cup of tea]]: Undertale VS Deltarune(was GRACE)(Not Usable anymore)

[Comiphorous]

where does Asgore’s resistance to soul attacks even come from if he hasn’t been attacked in that way before?

but he has been.

Also about the soul thing, does this mean that monsters choose not to attack the Souls of other monsters or that they just are only able to attack the player’s one? Are souls and soul attacks supposed to scale to AP and Dura too?

no. they take it as physical blows. and if you take magic as physical things hitting your body, then yes, you can scale that to their AP and Dura. (which they do)

Anyways either way, fire destroying the wires still is not going to happen, there are just too many things that make that unrealistic at best

most of his attacks aim up or come from above. how is he NOT going to hit them? if he somehow doesn't hit them on pure coincidence it would be due to Spamton dodging, not that he doesn't know the weakness.

with spamton’s winds getting in the way of fire attacks, bluelight special, Asgore not knowing about the weak spot, Asgore simply having to defend himself all the time from Spamton’s attacks

bluelight specil is out of character unless he's staggeringly low on HP. most of his attacks come from above so him not knowing isn't a problem. apparently, you cant think while being attacked by someone.

and even if we ignore all of that and he manages to cut the wires, normal Spamton still hypothetically has that 3 times AP advantage, along with his other abilities. The only argument in favor of Asgore in the entire match is “experience and skill” and knowing about weaknesses that he doesn’t. That’s quite literally it.

why are you mentioning normal spamton here? once asgore cuts the wires spamton is incapacitated and can be easily killed if asgore wants.

also, didn't asgore fight in a war where he was fighting people with building level+ AP? compared to the fact that he's one shot to hell and back by the people he waged war against, 3x isn't very much comparable to that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Uh yeah, Asgore has been attacked via magic before, remember Toriel?

 

[Comiphorous]

Uh yeah, Asgore has been attacked via magic before, remember Toriel?

and he eventually lost to undyne before she became captain of the royal guard.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

but he has been.

no. they take it as physical blows. and if you take magic as physical things hitting your body, then yes, you can scale that to their AP and Dura. (which they do)

most of his attacks aim up or come from above. how is he NOT going to hit them? if he somehow doesn't hit them on pure coincidence it would be due to Spamton dodging, not that he doesn't know the weakness.

bluelight specil is out of character unless he's staggeringly low on HP. most of his attacks come from above so him not knowing isn't a problem. apparently, you cant think while being attacked by someone.

why are you mentioning normal spamton here? once asgore cuts the wires spamton is incapacitated and can be easily killed if asgore wants.

also, didn't asgore fight in a war where he was fighting people with building level+ AP? compared to the fact that he's one shot to hell and back by the people he waged war against, 3x isn't very much comparable to that.

Thanks for the info, but
1. Based on the profile it seems like he does not at all scale to the humans, so invalid point for the purposes of this thread
2. Grace is already started so there’s really nothing to lose if I just play devil’s advocate and say base Spamton should be able to beat Asgore cause of his AP. After Neo is defeated Spamton is able to turn back into his normal form, although fighting the entire $&@! Squad in base would have been a bad idea obviously, but Asgore would be an easier fight of course
3. How exactly is attacks coming from above relevant here? After all he was just fighting a small soul while standing over the battle box, and Spamton is way taller than Asgore anyways
4. He still has no idea to try and go for the wires, it’s not an apparent weakness unless Spamton mentions it
5. Blue light special is always gonna be used before his hp is fallen to zero, so it doesn’t really matter. And Asgore has absolutely 0 viable pcounter to Spamton once that phase is activated

 

[Comiphorous]

1. Based on the profile it seems like he does not at all scale to the humans, so invalid point for the purposes of this thread

of course not, he's naturally weaker than humans as a monster, but was still able to at least fight them face to face regardless of that fact.

2. Grace is already started so there’s really nothing to lose if I just play devil’s advocate and say base Spamton should be able to beat Asgore cause of his AP. After Neo is defeated Spamton is able to turn back into his normal form, although fighting the entire $&@! Squad in base would have been a bad idea obviously, but Asgore would be an easier fight of course

he's forcibly turned back to base without any stamina, if he gets all of his wires removed and turned back into regular spamton he's out of power.

3. How exactly is attacks coming from above relevant here? After all he was just fighting a small soul while standing over the battle box, and Spamton is way taller than Asgore anyways

the fact that if there are strings above you, and stuff is falling down top of your head, said things that are above your head are going to get hit.

4. He still has no idea to try and go for the wires, it’s not an apparent weakness unless Spamton mentions it

luckily pillars of fire, giant hands summoning fire, and fire from above him are doing that for him.

5. Blue light special is always gonna be used before his hp is fallen to zero, so it doesn’t really matter. And Asgore has absolutely 0 viable pcounter to Spamton once that phase is activated

this assumes that spamton stops everything, monologues about how he can never lose and activate it before asgore just... beats the shit out of him while he talks, its not like its out of character for him to ignore someone babbling their mouth, he does it against frisk after trying to talk to him three times, and he only listens due to frisk talking about stuff that matters to asgore. if spamton begins talking about he never loses asgore is just going to attack him, which will likely kill him.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

of course not, he's naturally weaker than humans as a monster, but was still able to at least fight them face to face regardless of that fact.

Doesn’t scale + he lost for a reason

he's forcibly turned back to base without any stamina, if he gets all of his wires removed and turned back into regular spamton he's out of power.

Just because the machine is out of power doesn’t make him out of power, he was essentially just riding the machine. Denied.

the fact that if there are strings above you, and stuff is falling down top of your head, said things that are above your head are going to get hit.

I already explained why this only works with the soul inside of the fight box in undertale

this assumes that spamton stops everything, monologues about how he can never lose and activate it before asgore just... beats the shit out of him while he talks, its not like its out of character for him to ignore someone babbling their mouth, he does it against frisk after trying to talk to him three times, and he only listens due to frisk talking about stuff that matters to asgore. if spamton begins talking about he never loses asgore is just going to attack him, which will likely kill him.

1/3 of the AP, he literally would not be able to do this lol

Anyways I give up, changing vote to Asgore

 

[Comiphorous]

Just because the machine is out of power doesn’t make him out of power, he was essentially just riding the machine. Denied.

but he is the machine. he turned himself into data and became neo, if the machine that he became is out of power of course he himself is out of power.

Doesn’t scale + he lost for a reason

"After a long battle, the humans were victorious." -Undertale opening sequence

doesn't sound like he was curb-stomped in the war if he made it into a long battle, meaning he put up some sort of fight.

1/3 of the AP, he literally would not be able to do this lol

that's like you just beat the shit out of bodybuilder somehow, and he's literally crippled, bleeding out, but wait. he's a bodybuilder, how tf you gonna kill him?

Anyways I give up, changing vote to Asgore

then it is grace.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

but he is the machine. he turned himself into data and became neo, if the machine that he became is out of power of course he himself is out of power.

well no he turned into a disc that was piloting the machine is the accurate description here, and a disc doesn't have battery

doesn't sound like he was curb-stomped in the war if he made it into a long battle, meaning he put up some sort of fight.

we don't have details of how it went down + he still doesn't scale

then it is grace.

cool I'm gonna go now

 

[JustANormalLemon]

asgore fra

Thanks for the vote, i will count grace after looking for more votes

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This can be added now

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Sinse It's not a AP stomp again, can this be added again?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Meh, how about I just re post It?