NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO [[Drink a cup of tea]] AGAIN!: Undertale VS Deltarune (0-3-0) (Let's try this again... NOP STOMP)

[JustANormalLemon]

ASGORE VS SPAMTON NEO

Sinse they are in the same tier again, let's do this again

here is the original Thread

here is the second try

Spamton is NEO

Asgore is King

Speed equalized

Battle takes place in the Barrier Turned in a dark world

Battle theme

Spamton... It was nice to meet you. Goodbye.:

I JUST NEED THESE LITTLE [[SOULS]] Y O U HAVE: 3 (QrowBarr, LeoEpicGamer8910, The_Almighty_Wholesome)

incon:

 

[QrowBarr]

So like

Asgore gets hit once or twice then dies

since NEO is well above the Chapter 1 party who can one shot guys above 0.3 tons

So.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

So like

Asgore gets hit once or twice then dies

since NEO is well above the Chapter 1 party who can one shot guys above 0.3 tons

So.

wires + skill + fire hotten them the core of earth + sane enough to know what he is doing + Much better danmaku + projectiles break Spamtom danmaku + ratio

 

[QrowBarr]

wires + skill + fire hotten them the core of earth + sane enough to know what he is doing + Much better danmaku + projectiles break Spamtom danmaku + ratio

Literally took a party of 8-Cs to cut + AP + Irrelevant points + Reliable auto-healing and defense buff + ratio deflected

 

[JustANormalLemon]

party had no reliable long ranged atacks and could one shoot thouse wires any way + Heat ignores conventional dura + Danmaku is relevant + Wire burning ignores his healing + Back to sender ratio

 

[QrowBarr]

party had no reliable long ranged atacks

Range: Tens of Meters (Their hits are able to reach great distances without physically touching the opponent), Hundreds of Meters with Magic

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I said reliable, not they had no option(especially whem trapped in rollercoasters cars)

 

[QrowBarr]

I said reliable, not they had no option(especially whem trapped in rollercoasters cars)

Wdym? It's certainly better than Asgore's fire bullets that can still miss, since Spamton is a very much mobile target who will fly around the area. The Delta Warriors can reliably cut them due to their ten meter range, and because of how the cuts just appear on his wires.

I feel like you're way overestimating Asgore's ability in cutting the strings, because at best, it's going to take just as long as the trio can cut it, which is as long as how you fight him normally. Even then, there's no reason for Asgore to start with the strings first anyway, since he has no prior knowledge whatsoever. Before the fight, Spamton ranted to Kris about his strings, so at least they had the incentive for cutting them in the first place so he could have "freedom". Asgore doesn't have that. And if he does find out, that's gonna happen midway in the fight.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Danmaku will come from all sides of spamton, It's not like he need to aim to hit It, and the delta warriors still has to aim their atacks, asgore can literraly make giant circles of fire of big bursts of fire to engulf spam

 

[QrowBarr]

Danmaku will come from all sides of spamton, It's not like he need to aim to hit It, and the delta warriors still has to aim their atacks, asgore can literraly make giant circles of fire of big bursts of fire to engulf spam

If he wants to cut them all for a wincon, then he kinda does have to aim. Spamton has a mobility advantage thanks to flight, and he can just keep out of Asgore's range as the former can attack from hundreds of meters.

Again, no reason for Asgore to lead with cutting them, since he has no prior knowledge

 

[JustANormalLemon]

If he wants to cut them all for a wincon, then he kinda does have to aim. Spamton has a mobility advantage thanks to flight, and he can just keep out of Asgore's range as the former can attack from hundreds of meters.

Again, no reason for Asgore to lead with cutting them, since he has no prior knowledge

You know that he should be able to burn them, right? no need to cut, and Spamton flight isn't really all that good

 

[QrowBarr]

Spamton flight isn't really all that good

We literally see him move outside of the screen with it, like him reacting to that surprise Rude Buster. Don't see why it isn't that "good".

If it wasn't obvious, I'm voting for Spamton, as his options are frankly better. Any hit that Asgore sustains in the fight is gonna put him in a bad spot, since he scales decently above baseline at best. And since Asgore's AP is weaker, he's gonna have a hard destroying the projectiles anyway, like the Pipis, which can take 0.47 ton attacks. So Asgore won't be able to destroy them quick enough until they get close and blow up in his face.

And also, Bluelight Specil would boost the dura of his wires, since it's still part of his body.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Counted

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Bump

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Spamton gets revenge FRA

 

[JustANormalLemon]

counted

 

[The_Almighty_Wholesome]

Spamton [[Utterly destroyed]] this [ROYALTY] [[Father Goat]] FRA

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Counted

 

[ShionAH]

This is not fair at all tf? The fire is not as hot as molten lava to dura neg

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This is not fair at all tf? The fire is not as hot as molten lava to dura neg

Asgore fire upscale from the MTT oven that is stated to be as hot as the core of earth(Just look the second time I made this battle arguments)

 

[ShionAH]

Asgore fire upscale from the MTT oven that is stated to be as hot as the core of earth(Just look the second time I made this battle arguments)

Thats a obvious hyperbole.

 

[ShionAH]

If we actually use that oven that would make Undertale baseline Tier 8 lol

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Thats a obvious hyperbole.

and frisk tanks It exploding on his face

And sinse hotland can evaporate water and the cup in seconds It's not that far of a strech

 

[ShionAH]

and frisk tanks It exploding on his face

And sinse hotland can evaporate water and the cup in seconds It's not that far of a strech

That might make Undertale Tier 8 lol

 

[JustANormalLemon]

That might make Undertale Tier 8 lol

Heat is weird and all so It's dificult to use It for actual AP

 

[ShionAH]

Heat is weird and all so It's dificult to use It for actual AP

Idk I made a half ass calc and got 8-C and baseline H8-C for Asgore

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Idk I made a half ass calc and got 8-C and baseline H8-C for Asgore

Post a blog and make a CRT if you want, I still not sure about this scaling to AP, only to heat resistence

 

[ShionAH]

I still not sure about this scaling to AP, only to heat resistence

Its heat resistance for Frisk but obviously the monsters would downscale from Asgore and Toriels fire that is above this random ass oven.

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Its heat resistance for Frisk but obviously the monsters would downscale from Asgore and Toriels fire that is above this random ass oven.

I would say the best you can try argue here is that Mettaton weaponary AP should be higher them the oven sinse they where made to hunt and kill humans and is more tecnological advanced, so It having a higher AP them the standard underground oven makes sense... I guess?

 

[ShionAH]

I would say the best you can try argue here is that Mettaton weaponary AP should be higher them the oven sinse they where made to hunt and kill humans and is more tecnological advanced, so It having a higher AP them the standard underground oven makes sense... I guess?

I got 8-C

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Well, possible I will need to do this battle a forth time, good luck getting It accepted

 

[ShionAH]

Actually now thinking why would Asgores fire scale to this? It wont. So yeah its a stomp still

Theres no canon info about it

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Actually now thinking why would Asgores fire scale to this? It wont. So yeah its a stomp still

Undyne has a oven of the same brand, frisk survived the oven exploding on his face whem undyne was basically putting It to maximun heat to cook, asgore fire can harm frisk but the explosion didn't

 

[ShionAH]

Undyne has a oven of the same brand, frisk survived the oven exploding on his face whem undyne was basically putting It to maximun heat to cook, asgore fire can harm frisk but the explosion didn't

Its because Asgores AP not heat

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Its because Asgores AP not heat

you know how fire works, right? all asgore atacks are fire based(exept for the trident)

 

[ShionAH]

you know how fire works, right? all asgore atacks are fire based(exept for the trident)

Just because he can hurt Frisk with his fire does not mean he burns them, its a fireball

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Just because he can hurt Frisk with his fire does not mean he burns them, its a fireball

It's not through? It's clearly a flame

 

[QrowBarr]

Why are we comparing Asgore's fire being superior to the MTT Oven explosion again, even though his fire harms via soul damage and not heat? Besides, the explosion is calced as 9-B anyway sooo

I got 8-C

I vaguely recall something like this being rejected a long long time ago, but I'm not sure

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Why are we comparing Asgore's fire being superior to the MTT Oven explosion again, even though his fire harms via soul damage and not heat?

I think we consider the SOUL damage to be a secondary effect of the attack, plus since it's still affected by conventional durability, Asgore would have overpower Frisk' heat resistance for the SOUL damage to even work

 

[QrowBarr]

I'd still argue that Asgore hurts Frisk through AP anyway, but then again, Spamton doesn't have fire resistance.

But I guess it just means that this isn't a full stomp ¯\(ツ)/¯