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No way I WASN'T gonna do this one (Sora vs. Goku)

Bobsican said:
So 1 multiverse of range above baseline? If so, well, the place in question is more multiverses away (Realm of Light -> Realm of Darkness -> Realm of Sleep -> Final World)
I've also mentioned already that info manip isn't too useful here when it doesn't include type 1 CM given that that's what defines Sora's existence as well, let alone also resisting that too.
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More multiverses doesn't mean higher range, it's just baseline unless the verse says otherwise
 
That's only for AP, for range it still matters. Why do you think Arceus sits at the top list of non-smurf 2-Bs?
 
Similar to Attack Potency, affecting multiple multiverses by default can not be considered a feat of superior Range to affecting a single one. As mentioned before there is no real difference between the size or properties of one or multiple multiverses. Hence there can be no objective difference in range either. This is made even worse by the fact that what we considered multiversal range, as the distance between universes or the distances between things in or between multiverses, is usually not directly stated or quantifiable in fiction, but instead is approximated by the number of universes. That idea becomes meaningless if we try to quantify different ranges within sets of universes of equal numbers. As a consequence, even if one verse gave an indirect indicator of different ranges in its multiverse it would be impossible to compare to a different fiction where such a quantification doesn't exist.
 
Even KH actually have above baseline 2A range things
You need it was accepted by staff and can be applied to use. That's rule and i hate when people take everything from nowwhere (Like 99 layers mean 99 times range from someone and some verse)
Like everything about Above baseline 2A of dbh, it get accepted many times from staffs and applied since year ago
 
K, I guess I'll have to make a CRT to claim they're usable for the purposes of range.
 
Anyway busy, but will drop some informations. UT Goku has 4D EE Aura that at low-balling 3 layers, high-balling it is 12-13 layers. His first move is thought-based Power Null via Time Power, and it also neg resistance and.........layered, low balling 4-5 layers. And his second move is........oneshot the multiverse, he in game, manga and anime nuke the shit out of Fu along with the Tree, so in-character or not he willing to go for the absolute killing
 
Let's see... I'll just take the low balls for now if everyone's fine with that

Sora's resistances to EE and power null layers go like:

KHIII Sora > Keyblade Armor > Black Coat > Light effects > Innate strong heart resistance

Sora is above Data-Sora, who could witstand the reset of a 2-A structure, so I'd say he could take on that as well, let alone the fate manip otherwise likely kicking in.
 
Time power null both power and resistance, did Sora also resist resistance negation??. And it is the same layer as power null due to Tim Power
 
The effect of darkness negate resistances depending on its potency, so yes.
 
Not really given it includes EE and Power Null, which are among the relevant ones here, and appear to be in enought layers to still hold up in this case.
 
Bobsican said:
Not really given it includes EE and Power Null, which are among the relevant ones here.
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No
I mean "negate resistance" part
It only negate if it have a feat equal or much better
Not some NLF-statement "No matter how much you resistance, it still null your resistance". I can wrong here
 
The before-mentioned scaling chain for the resistance layers on Sora I've said before covers that, no NLF here
Bobsican said:
Sora's resistances to EE and power null layers go like:

KHIII Sora > Keyblade Armor > Black Coat > Light effects > Innate strong heart resistance
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While of course we can't claim that "enought" darkness would ignore any resistance out of basic NLFs, we can still use up to how far it has shown with certain potencies.
 
I still don't see any resistance toward resistance negation, anyway Time Power as it is said in the page, it can nullify power at the same time nullify resistance toward Time Power. So Goku will neg the Power Null resistance of Sora, unless he also have resistance to resistance negation
 
That'd be under the "broad" resistance to the effects of darkness covered by a strong heart, so he'd resist resistance negation by extension.
However, to remain transparent and all, resistance negation in itself is pending a CRT for the verse and whatnot.

In any case, let's not ignore the fate manip, shall we? What Goku has for it?
 
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I don't see causality manip on the page, so that'd probably be wank if we took it to the literal extreme, and the probability manip is pretty eh to matter.
 
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Time Power (Dragon Ball)

Time Power (時ときの力ちから, Toki no Chikara?) or Power of Time, Time God's Power is a Universal Power/Energy System mainly used by the Time Gods and those who have obtained the Time Power Unleashed state in Dragon Ball Heroes multiverse. It is an all-encompassing power that creates, composes and...
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Right there.
 
It doesn't appear to be able to bypass High-Godly regen to begin with.
It also seems the OP changed Goku without warning?
 
Bobsican said:
It doesn't appear to be able to bypass High-Godly regen to begin with.
It also seems the OP changed Goku without warning?
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We did start debating CC/Heroes Goku instead, so I changed it to avoid confusion, sorry.
 
Unequilize speed, would goku have an advantage? Also doesn't goku have AP advantage?
Vietthai96 said:
Anyway busy, but will drop some informations. UT Goku has 4D EE Aura that at low-balling 3 layers, high-balling it is 12-13 layers. His first move is thought-based Power Null via Time Power, and it also neg resistance and.........layered, low balling 4-5 layers. And his second move is........oneshot the multiverse, he in game, manga and anime nuke the shit out of Fu along with the Tree, so in-character or not he willing to go for the absolute killing
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This should be goku's wincon then?
 
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Goku has no way past the passive fate manip that removes permanent death/incap from being a wincon, and even then this ain't bypassing high-godly regen, this is a mismatch TBH.
 
Uh... Sora negates sealing, but beyond that the rest is valid I suppose, that said, wouldn't that be an incon at best still?
 
He also deadass negate sealong resistance. Time Power null everypower that in its area of application, 4D sealing is also in its capabilities, it negate TPU Mechi who have better sealing resistance than his previous Dark King state. And CC Goku time power is top tier in term of layers
 
Vietthai96 said:
He also deadass negate sealong resistance. Time Power null everypower that in its area of application, 4D sealing is also in its capabilities, it negate TPU Mechi who have better sealing resistance than his previous Dark King state. And CC Goku time power is top tier in term of layers
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Uh... a sealing resistance isn't the same thing as nulling the power in question, now if that'd be covered as well is another matter.
 
Oh no, it doesn't work like that, it goes more like
  • Sora is sealed
  • Sora negs the sealing
In other words it targets the sealing itself than the uh... application of it, in lack of better terms.
 
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