No way I WASN'T gonna do this one (Sora vs. Goku)

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Oh no, it doesn't work like that, it goes more like

• Sora is sealed
• Sora negs the sealing

In other words it targets the sealing itself than the uh... application of it, in lack of better terms.

Well first of all, with my rookie knowledge (Viet should explain it better) sealing in dbh is layered. It goes like Maze of light> Maze of time (Which goku uses) > Fu's sealing spell > Mafuba . It might have more, but i don't have indepth knowledge of DBH.

 

[Vietthai96]

Oh no, it doesn't work like that, it goes more like

• Sora is sealed
• Sora negs the sealing

In other words it targets the sealing itself than the uh... application of it, in lack of better terms.

Then he can't do that, since Time Power will neg his ability to neg sealing, the same like what it did to Mechi, who in Dark King state broke Time Labyrinth sealing, in TPU this is even stronger, but Keysword still neg Mechi, CC Goku time power comparable to Awakened Keysword and > Fu, and Dark King Fu already > Dark King Mechi, Youth Fu is > Dark King Fu.

Edit: Also Time Labyrinth suspend/freeze its victim in time, Sora must deal with himself being stop in time first before he can do anything

 

[Bobsican]

I'm not too sure if that holds up when the thing is backed up by type 1 CM and type 2 info manip.
Sora also has a time stop resistance of a similar nature.

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm not too sure if that holds up when the thing is backed up by type 1 CM and type 2 info manip.
Sora also has a time stop resistance of a similar nature.

Wdym, at this point i'm totally confuse about Sora's ability, where is his CM1 and Info 2 hax???. Also how strong his resistance to time stop, and Time Power's time stop is layered, work on timeless realm, and Tine Power can null resistance anyway, and Sora doesn't seem to resist resistance negation at all......

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Wdym, at this point i'm totally confuse about Sora's ability, where is his CM1 and Info 2 hax???. Also how strong his resistance to time stop, and Time Power's time stop is layered, work on timeless realm, and Tine Power can null resistance anyway, and Sora doesn't seem to resist resistance negation at all......

I think he draws power from a type 1 concept? And type 2 info hax is something dbh has in layers.

BTW DBH seems to have a quite lot of hax and resistance now in layers. Are we sure they are only mid when it comes to 2-A's?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Hmm

 

[StekFence]

so, does coming from a timeless realm give any powers?

 

[Vietthai96]

so, does coming from a timeless realm give any powers?

uh oh.....wdym

 

[StekFence]

Like, I noticed you said the time stop could work people from timeless realms. So do people from those types of places naturally resist time manip or other stuff?

 

[Bobsican]

Wdym, at this point i'm totally confuse about Sora's ability, where is his CM1 and Info 2 hax???. Also how strong his resistance to time stop, and Time Power's time stop is layered, work on timeless realm, and Tine Power can null resistance anyway, and Sora doesn't seem to resist resistance negation at all......

Here, the Keyblade draws power from that and so all its abilities are also tied in that manner.
Anyways, type 2 info manip isn't enought if there's no CM type 1 to properly cover it to say the least, per basic power semantics and all.

I also don't have to remind that resistance negation and power null don't inherently covers every power but only the ones displayed, and so the lack of covering on CM means that it wouldn't work on stuff inherited from the CM type 1, which in this case includes time stop resistance, EE and sealing negation, for example.

 

[Vietthai96]

Here, the Keyblade draws power from that and so all its abilities are also tied in that manner.
Anyways, type 2 info manip isn't enought if there's no CM type 1 to properly cover it to say the least, per basic power semantics and all.

I also don't have to remind that resistance negation and power null don't inherently covers every power but only the ones displayed, and so the lack of covering on CM means that it wouldn't work on stuff inherited from the CM type 1, which in this case includes time stop resistance, EE and sealing negation, for example.

Jezz, Sora profile structure is so hard that i can't see Heart Physiology in lol. Alright then so this is at best incon, can't do anything against CM1

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Jezz, Sora profile structure is so hard that i can't see Heart Physiology in lol. Alright then so this is at best incon, can't do anything against CM1

I wonder if any other dbh character can beat sora. Or all are an incon? I Don't see sora getting past type 4 acausality.

 

[Bobsican]

It's literally right at the start of the profile's P&A, lmao, although there's plans to just move it to the verse page out of being a kind of verse mechanic.

 

[Vietthai96]

I wonder if any other dbh character can beat sora. Or all are an incon? I Don't see sora getting past type 4 acausality.

TPU Mechi can, since he deadass just suck the entire multiverse into himself, and call it a day, require higher than baseline 2-A to escape, and even then it is 2x baseline, since even Chronoa with higher than baseline can't escapes

Other than that character like CC Goku and Fu just incon at best, only Mechi can win with his multiverse sucking, also Dark Shenron if you give him his Chaos Ball

 

[Bobsican]

A heart literally resists fusionism/absorption on a conceptual level, so...

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

TPU Mechi can, since he deadass just suck the entire multiverse into himself, and call it a day, require higher than baseline 2-A to escape, and even then it is 2x baseline, since even Chronoa with higher than baseline can't escapes

Other than that character like CC Goku and Fu just incon at best, only Mechi can win with his multiverse sucking, also Dark Shenron if you give him his Chaos Ball

bro why u use deadass so much. Also don't they have a lot of other shit sora doesn't resist and advantage in speed?

 

[Bobsican]

Anyways, what are Goku's wincons then?

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Kingdom Hearts has power over the Realm of Light and the Realm of Darkness which should both be equivalent to 2-A on an individual basis. There are also the Sleeping Worlds which exist outside of these two Realms.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Kingdom Hearts has power over the Realm of Light and the Realm of Darkness which should both be equivalent to 2-A on an individual basis. There are also the Sleeping Worlds which exist outside of these two Realms.

Dbh has a MASSIVE 2-A scaling chain though. As well as higher realities

 

[Vietthai96]

bro why u use deadass so much. Also don't they have a lot of other shit sora doesn't resist and advantage in speed?

sorry, my bad habit, anyway DBH have massive speed and ap advantage, but defensive hax from Sora negate that advantage which create incon situation

 

[Bobsican]

Sora stomps long term by ignoring durability with conceptual void manip and time stop.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

sorry, my bad habit, anyway DBH have massive speed and ap advantage, but defensive hax from Sora negate that advantage which create incon situation

don't remember him resisting causality hax. and some of these thingies.

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[Vietthai96]

don't remember him resisting causality hax. and some of these thingies.

Special Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball)

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idk, ask Bob, but problem is his passive fate hax and high godly, which just create eternal incon

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

Does Goku's own passive fate hax (yes he has that...ironic isn't It) help him here? Is It strong enough?

 

[Vietthai96]

Does Goku's own passive fate hax (yes he has that...ironic isn't It) help him here? Is It strong enough?

yeah lol, i forgot about his passive fate and causality hax, that work on Acausality type 4

 

[Bobsican]

Sora's potentially getting type 4 acausality from a recent CRT.

But IDK about the strength of Goku's own fate/causality hax beyond it probably working here.

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

yeah lol, i forgot about his passive fate and causality hax, that work on Acausality type 4

Since when did dbh become rakudai lol

 

[Vietthai96]

Since when did dbh become rakudai lol

what do you expect???. DBH and XV is a verse all about history, time, past, present and future

 

[Shubham_Sonsurkar]

Back when Dragon Ball was just screaming at eachother and just beating the shit out of eachother

 

[Grand_Saver_Ritsuka]

Back when Dragon Ball was just screaming at eachother and just beating the shit out of eachother

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