No way I WASN'T gonna do this one (Sora vs. Goku)

[GoldExPoints]

Ultima Form KH3 Sora and Universe Tree Goku are used
Speed is equalized
Starting distance is 10 meters
SBA otherwise

When You Walk Away:
We're In Luck Now:
I Wanna Be The Very Best (Incon):

 

[Bobsican]

Uh... what Goku has for High-Godly regen and fate manip that prevents permanent death?

 

[sanicspood]

Incap

 

[GoldExPoints]

He can still incap

 

[Bobsican]

How so? Sealing is eh when Sora can negate it on multiple levels (like, he could negate being sealed in other 2-A realms and even his fate manip helped on that once)
Goku may be pretty above baseline 2-A but it seems Sora can still ignore durability with Ragnarok and Time Stop either way.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Dimensional domain BB. That shit will automatically incap by reducing Soras stamina.

 

[GoldExPoints]

Time Stop either way.

Goku resists time manip as well.

 

[Bobsican]

Sora's time stop is quite above baseline, it can affect beings that resist a time stop that affects beings native to a timeless void.

A Keyblade can act on its own to get its user out of an undesirable place, so the stamina may not be as much of a concern.

 

[GoldExPoints]

Goku's time resist is layered too if I recall correctly, tho I'm not quite sure whose is superior

 

[sanicspood]

Does the key blade have resistance to sealing and power null?

 

[Rikimarox2]

And why would it be able to resist/bypass stamina reduction? Not to mention, DD is passive, so it will continue to take effect.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Ah yes the OG Keyblade Vs the parody Keyblade.

 

[Bobsican]

Does the key blade have resistance to sealing and power null?

Yes

And why would it be able to resist/bypass stamina reduction? Not to mention, DD is passive, so it will continue to take effect.

Has it shown to affect non-biological objects of magical nature? In any case, given that stamina is related to health and how often it's portrayed in KH, it'd be safe to claim that Sora resists that as well anyways given he resists having his max health lowered.

 

[sanicspood]

Has it shown to affect non-biological objects of magical nature? In any case, given that stamina is related to health and how often it's portrayed in KH, it'd be safe to claim that Sora resists that as well anyways given he resists having his max health lowered.

It can effect robots

 

[Bobsican]

The energy source of a Keyblade is a type 1 concept, so I'm doubtful it'd apply there to say the least.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

There were better DBH characters that could've been used instead of Xeno Goku tbf.

 

[GoldExPoints]

There definitely were but Keysword funny so

 

[Nierre]

these fights are never fun
it just ends up being hax vs hax, passives vs passives, resistances vs resistances

 

[GoldExPoints]

Honestly, this is looking like a stomp for Sora. If I unequalize speed, Goku just blitzes on blitzes.

Goku's time resist is layered too if I recall correctly, tho I'm not quite sure whose is superior

Maybe this could be his wincon if people could find his hax scaling chain

 

[Bobsican]

I'm going to remind that just being "stronger" doesn't translate into bypassing layers of an actual resistance if it hasn't displayed so to begin with.

 

[GoldExPoints]

Afaik in Dragon Ball, it does. So while being stronger physically than Sora wouldn't let him resist Sora's hax, his current resistances should still be layered by virtue of being stronger than certain DB characters like Chronoa.

 

[Bobsican]

The real question is how many layers are there to begin with, I'd like something more specific.
Of course, they'd require actual feats on this regard, as even with how stuff is treated in DB, it's not like the most minimal gap in power inherently means a resistance to bypass, as I'm sure someone will just post a regular AP scaling chain otherwise.

 

[GoldExPoints]

That's sadly what I don't know, somebody who's knowledgeable on Xenoverse/Heroes has to come on. All I know is he's massively above baseline 2-A time hax

 

[Bobsican]

In any case, I'd probably have to ask for how long it lasts, if it's "permanent", then the fate manip will kick in, and it's not like Goku's aware of win conditions in matches to manually stall around for an hour with it (let alone that likely not being in character) otherwise, and so in that case the immortality would kick in instead if he just tries to brute force his way after that.

Man, this is looking like an stomp the more I think about it, Sora has wincons while Goku doesn't.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

It is, indeed, a stomp.

 

[Rabbit2002]

Change xeno goku to CC goku and/or mechikabura/Fu in their strongest key (Or arale)

 

[GoldExPoints]

Does CC Goku use his time power ic? That's what I was worrying about when I considered him

 

[Rabbit2002]

Does CC Goku use his time power ic? That's what I was worrying about when I considered him

he has Hakai EE aura iirc
It's at least galaxy-sized aura and passive
For CC goku he only use Powernull from Toki Toki's time power (powernull is thought-based)
But u can change it to Mechikabura or Fu if it's stomp for Sora again (or worst Sora solo all of them and the rest of DBH, only stopped by 4D plot hax of Arale)

 

[GoldExPoints]

Sora resists power null and EE unless it's layered, the only option Time Power users have against Sora seems to be Type 2 Info Manip

 

[Rabbit2002]

Sora resists power null and EE unless it's layered, the only option Time Power users have against Sora seems to be Type 2 Info Manip

both things are layered and 4D
But i dunno how many layers

 

[Bobsican]

Uh... Sora resists type 2 info manip too, that's a part of his type 1 concept, in fact I'm not sure either ability can work when they'd have to alter the type 1 concept to begin with, as that's the core thing in here and all.

 

[GoldExPoints]

Well shi, it all depends on EE scaling then. If not, then Goku has literally nothing anymore

 

[Bobsican]

EE that appears to lack feats affecting type 1 concepts to begin with, and so it'd be more than within High-Godly regen to cover, so uh...

 

[GoldExPoints]

It'd still incap Sora tho since it's a passive aura, unless his Reactive Evolution gives him new resistances a la Dante

 

[Bobsican]

How much range it has?

 

[GoldExPoints]

Universal iirc via scaling to Toppo

 

[Bobsican]

High-Godly triggers in another multiverse where Sora just comes back to the place the match's taking place, so that'd probably lead to an incon assuming it has a potency beyond his resistance.

 

[Rabbit2002]

High-Godly triggers in another multiverse where Sora just comes back to the place the match's taking place, so that'd probably lead to an incon assuming it has a potency beyond his resistance.

CC goku (and prettt much characters in DBH) have Abilities and AP affect range above baseline 2A too

 

[Rabbit2002]

Not passive one but information is part of time power
Multiversal+ & Interdimensional with Ki Blasts & Attacks, higher with Time Power (As Super Saiyan Blue: Universe Tree Power, gained power from the Universe Tree and Tokitoki, as both of their powers and abilities are capable of reaching the Crack of Time and the Time Nest, or affecting the entire multiverse from those two realms, comparable in range to Fu: Youth)

For above baseline range part (scroll down to Crack of Time)

Fusions Cosmology Blog

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Bobsican]

So 1 multiverse of range above baseline? If so, well, the place in question is more multiverses away (Realm of Light -> Realm of Darkness -> Realm of Sleep -> Final World)
I've also mentioned already that info manip isn't too useful here when it doesn't include type 1 CM given that that's what defines Sora's existence as well, let alone also resisting that too.